I’m generally in favor of privacy, but a bar is public place. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy. Unless they’re putting cameras in the bathrooms, I don’t see how this is an issue. They likely already have security cameras that are recording, this just makes some of those publicly viewable. Other than an additional layer of convenience, how is this any different from walking into a bar, seeing it’s packed, and leaving.
Fuck that. It absolutely is not a norm to have anyone with an internet connection watch you drink, and making a camera publicly accessible should automatically revoke your liquor license and permanently bar the owner from ever being able to apply for one again.
Sounds like you just made that up.
People absolutely will be stalked and attacked as a direct result of this insane horseshit if it is not shut down.
It is unconditionally not acceptable.
I meant the losing your license part. The rest is NSAs wet dream.
I said you should. It’s that catastrophically dangerous, and it isn’t a mistake.
The potential for misue is too great.
Security cams are not available to anyone - only the bar staff has (hopefully limited) access to the video. While everything is recorded, unless something happens you can be confident the video will end up deleted.
There’s a difference from being watched by some creep through the window and being watched by a dozen creeps wanking off to you in a basment.
I would say the potential for misuse, while definitely present, is outweighed by the potential benefits.
A creep watching you from their basement is less likely to act on their dangerous impulses.
An overcrowded bar, poses a lot of risks in itself and the ability to determine how crowded the bar is without having to be physically present can mitigate your exposure to those risks.
In a crowded bar you have a higher risk of being drugged or assaulted because security and staff will likely be distracted or simply unable to notice and intervene. Also, in the event of an emergency that requires you to be able exit quickly, such as a fire or earthquake not only will it be much more difficult to leave it’s also more likely that people will panic and exasperate the problem.
Is a camera with a public live feed the best way to achieve that? No, probably not. But it’s simple, cheap, and gets the job done.
A bar is also a public venue. In a public place you have absolutely no reasonable expectation of privacy. So, while in most circumstances it’s unreasonable to expect that you’re being recorded, it’s equally unreasonable to expect that you’re not.
You don’t need a video feed to determine how busy a place is. Google maps already does this via people with location reporting turned on.
I’m shocked at what an unpopular thought this is. Like… If you go out in public, there’s a very real risk that people in public will see you. If that’s a concern you have, then you should take steps to not be seen in public. To me, that would mean not making my presence obvious when visiting a bar.
Camera or not, if people are looking for you, they will find ways to look for you in public places. You should always assume you’re being watched, because you probably already are.
I know of a few bars that have/used to have web streams of the bar. Most of them started in the 90s and 00s and I can’t remember if they shut them off after a certain hour or not. Buddy of mine in Florida would go to one of these locations have a cocktail in front of the camera and wave at us while we would freezing our asses off in the northern Midwest
Bar Code was one. Cameras streaming patrons in other franchises in other cities so you could kinda interact with them.
I’m not one to praise Google often but I think their Popular Times feature can be handy to see how busy a place might be. This live feed video stuff is way over the top and invasive.
Same thing I thought at first. “Oh, so like that one feature from Google Maps” Nope, just some shitty tech bro tech.
I like being able to check how busy a place is, but not like this. Simple head count or an average wait time is good. Using web cams is creepy overkill. Typical tech bro invasive shit.
Google Maps already provides this, and it’s pretty handy.
I believe they do this the same way they do traffic jams, by seeing how many android phones are at the location vs. average.
iPhones will report it too if they have Maps open.
/stares in smart glasses
Easy choice now of which bars to avoid. Hopefully they lose business over it but I doubt it.
As the article indicates, it’s catering to the crowd that wants a packed bar fully of people infatuated with whatever is trending in pop culture.
Lemmy’s user base of bean loving software engineers is not that crowd.
I mean I do like beans, but it’s not love. It’s a mutual feeling of appreciation. I think.
Beans do be pretty good though.
I was just thinking the other day about how I haven’t had some good baked beans in a while.
I quit software but I still grow beans!
I fucking love beans
It’s your one year anniversary. Happy bean day.
If you wanted to see how busy they are, you could just use a rating from 1-5. From what I understand they will be using cameras and streaming that. I don’t really see the value of that.
I would use this app to find the bars that weren’t crowded.
I think this is great and don’t understand why so many people balk at it. Do you think you have an expectation of privacy in a bar? And head counts doesn’t tell you how many coeds are there. And this would add an additional layer of security with more eyes able to catch predators spiking drinks or starting fights.
Do you want your drunk antics livestreamed and recorded for the entire world to see forever, instead of just the few people in the bar paying attention?
No, but I’d prevent that by not having drunk antics. It’s not like other people in the bar can’t see you.
If you have nothing to fear, etc etc…
You could also prevent a hostile employer from seeing you out with your same-sex partner by pretending you don’t have one.
Or, keep your honey from finding out about your side piece by putting a mask on their head…
Filing you in public is not a violation of your privacy especially in a limited scope like a single club. That’s not at all equivalent to saying I should be able to read your emails.
Public safety needs to be weighed against civil rights. I don’t think women should be drugged because of a extreme fundamentalist a paranoid interpretation of privacy rights.
Also people want to club where it’s happening. Even if a club has a lot of people they could still not be dancing.
Public safety needs to be weighed against civil rights
Oooo a tankie!
. I don’t think women should be drugged because of a extreme fundamentalist a paranoid interpretation of privacy rights.
Oooo a straw man reducto ad absurdum argument!
Blocked. Buhbye🤖
I’m not a tankie. And clubs already do their own closed circuit TV surveillance. And no my argument is not reducto ad absurdum. There is a growing and pervasive problem with drugging drinks in American bars. I only brought it up as a side benefit anyway. I’d really like the convenience of seeing how hot a bar is instead of having to pay to get in only to see that it’s lame and leave.
You strike me as a very youthful cop tbh, full of weird ideas of how the world works and with righteous belief that you are right and anyone who has a different pov is wrong… But that’s just based on this thread.
I don’t know what bars you frequent, but I’m pretty sure if someone was in there filming strangers they could be kicked out. It depends what kind of place you’re in. Filming in a strip club for example would obviously be against the rules. Bars are not publicly owned spaces, and you do have some expectation of privacy in them.
You’re out of touch, just visit nearly any page on Instagram to see hours of footage of clubbing and bar hopping.
Well maybe I am out of touch. I don’t frequent bars like I used to.
How many of those Instagram posts are of strangers? If people record themselves at bars and post it, why should I care?
Silicon Valley once again solving a problem nobody actually has.
Where’s my husband? - desperate housewives of silicon valley
Inverted alcoholics have this problem…I guess…
You have to drink a lot to become inverted.
I don’t know about nobody. Did you see what “one horny user” wrote?
Finding a place that’s not too crowded and nice for you is a problem I’ve often had with people.
Gross
Yeah, I would walk right back out of the bar if I saw they had this.
Good news, looks like they have an app that you can check and see which bars to avoid! Hahaha
So San Francisco just invented the webcam? (Btw, Google Maps already shows how busy establishments are.)
Doesn’t Google Maps show trends instead of live numbers?
“Busy”, “More busy than usual”,… Not absolute numbers.
Depends on the area (maybe), but I think it can do either.
It has both.
It also doesn’t have numbers, it has unlabeled columns.
That’s fucking insane.
“Just go to a fucking bar,” she added, seeming to balk at the purpose of the app. “And if it’s not cool you go to another bar.”
I’d rather not. A way to find a nice bar without having to visit several would be nice, not sure having it all live streamed online is the solution
I need this for fish and chips shops, minus the cameras part.
They could very easily just implement some rudimentary person identification algos and output only a headcount.
Pretty sure you can do that with OpenCV.
pretty sure they could just pull the number of open tabs
I have no experience with the software involved in that, but I do know that generally, anything connected to a POS system probably should not be connected to a publicly accessible… anything.
Does this software even have APIs to do something like that?
Or could you just point a webcam at a screen or portion of a screen that the default software indicates open tab count on lol?
I have this capability with my home assistant/frigate setup. Literally have a camera pointed at my back patio right now that says “Cats: 2” Cause my cats are sleeping on the couch out there.
Nice!
I think Google does this with your phone. I can see how busy various places are by looking them up on Google maps. Really useful for my local Costco.
So when is your Costco not busy? Genuine question as I have gone there mid-day during the week and it will still be pack. One day I went 30 min before close and the parking lot was still full.
There’s busy and there’s “checkout lines literally to the back of the store”
I think you’re correct, but wouldn’t this only work if you are running either android, or google maps, and have location on?
Its accurate enough but still an estimate, is the point i am getting at.
Conceivably a webcam + opencv headcount would be more precise, if the cameras covered the whole space and could account for viewing the same person from a different angle.
Its like how google can give you an estimate of bus times, but if there is a local city app that specifically interfaces directly with the actually city busses, it’ll be more accurate.
Your example with the buses is wrong. There is a standard called GTFS and public transport companies publish their fleet status and timetable according to this standard, Google just reads and displays this data. Nowadays you should see the same data in the official apps and gmaps. There are even foss solutions displaying the same thing like transportr.app
You can browse this data worldwide on https://www.transit.land
Shh don’t ruin a “viral” story
