Sooo Trump has been doing this for years too… can we just kick them both out the race and do-over please?
This was my first thought. Like the number of Tim Apples and confusing Nicky Haley with Pelosi and calling Ronny Jackson Ronny Johnson like 15 times in a row… Not to mention the covfefe’s and “Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer…” And the “nuclear warming” I mean the list is almost infinite at this point with Trump. He’s been on that road for a loooong time. Both of these dudes are beyond gone. Either way you’re getting a senile president at this point. Just pick your poison I guess 🥹
Welp…it’s over folks. To those continually downvoting me because you can’t face facts, it’s time. As a staunch Democrat, I cannot bring myself to support that man any longer. Either find a new candidate or this will be the first presidential election I don’t vote in.
Bitch, moan, downvote all you want. I don’t care anymore.
If only Democrats had listened to leftists 4 years ago, we saw all the signs then and we were told to shut the fuck up
Biden was supposed to be a transitional president, but he has done nothing to promote anyone but himself. It was selfish and it will be his legacy - it’s sad.
Good night. Sleep tight. And pleasant dreams to you. Here’s a wish, and a prayer that all your dreams come true.
lol lol no
Hard agree.
I hope for you that you’re a white man then
I’d fucking vote for a corpse over fascism. It’s sad that you feel otherwise.
Some of us live in states where our votes conveniently don’t matter. I don’t give a single fuck about performative voting. I care about winning, and Joe Biden is not going to win.
The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections. If your logic is that the end result is preordained, maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.
maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.
PugJesus, encouraging people not to vote.
Sorry that I tried to demonstrate the ridiculousness of that logic by demonstrating its necessary defeatist conclusions.
Sure. That’s what you were doing.
You were doing what you incessantly accuse anyone who has been critical of Biden’s support for genocide of doing. You were encouraging people to stay home in the face of fascism.
Sure. That’s what you were doing.
Yes, I thought the absurdity of not voting unless you were the deciding vote was obvious enough, but clearly it went over your head. I’ll be less subtle next time, though I imagine I’ll need bright highlighter colors to get any less subtle.
The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections.
Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless. I’m all for the popular vote compact, but that isn’t reality right now.
If your logic is that the end result is preordained
It isn’t preordained. I am working off the available evidence, and every single piece of available evidence is that he is going to fucking lose. Joe Biden staying in this race is dooming this country, and when he loses I hope he is punished for his hubris.
Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless.
Okay, so you don’t understand how governments act and sustain themselves. Cool.
I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality. The electoral college is all that matters. That is what determines our elections, and is what will determine if we are able to sustain our strained democracy. When Biden loses the election and wins the popular vote you can carry all the water you want, but Trump will still be president.
I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality.
I guess you missed the whole autocoup issue on Jan 6? Minor, I know, to people with only a passing interest in politics, but kind of integral. Clearly you don’t understand the effect the percieved legitimacy of a government has on its functioning and continuation.
This is the internet. The odds of that guy actually being a staunch dem are very slim.
Yeah, elsewhere he gave “It’s a very complex issue 🥺” plea, unprompted, on whether Trump et co are fascist.
I believe you misread that or you’re a fucking liar. Either way, that’s not what I said.
He is a fucking liar, and intentionally wants to twist up the obvious context to fit his chosen narrative. In other words, a propagandist and a try-hard.
He went super fascist on me…about fascism. Fucking funny really.
He went super fascist on me…about fascism. Fucking funny really.
Fascism is when you ask someone to explain something they said, and the more you ask, the more fascist it is, I guess.
Added bonus, you get a fascist corpse
Yes, yes I fucking do. And I don’t feel bad about it anymore. You should.
And I don’t feel bad about it
Cool, great, nice to know you don’t give a fuck about your fellow Americans.
You should.
I should feel bad for… voting against fascism?
You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.
His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!
You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.
Not happy about it, but I’d take a pet rock over fascism. Not really sure why you’re advocating otherwise.
His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist
It’s funny that you seem to forget that when the issue of voting against fascism comes up.
because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!
Wait, I’m the one not nutting up and making a difficult decision? Is that difficult decision ‘not voting and letting a fascist win’? Because that’s the only thing I’ve opposed here.
You don’t seem to be comprehending that the campaign is over. People are not going to vote for him. You can’t make them.
And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.
There is time, but we need to move quickly and decisively. There is no time for nostalgia.
And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.
Okay, tell me about the ‘complexities’ of Trump as the other viable candidate, I’m interested in hearing this.
You’re never going to break through the Blue MAGA brain rot. They are too far in denial. The grip of the sunk cost fallacy is too strong.
Sadly, you’re probably right. I’m just hoping there are enough people in positions of power to get the wheels moving on a replacement.
These people will just have to come along for the ride.
Again…Hard Agree.
Blue MAGA
Jesus Christ.
You may not like it, but you are embodying it. Deal with it.
And this particular homie has every dnc talking point memorized. Dont get caught up in a slap fight with that one cuz no one out-types ol’ pugjesus lol. must type 120wpm, shits crazy
Good point. You caught me slipping. That’s my bad.
Then he said he was going to defeat VP trump…
And.i honestly don’t know if he meant he’d beat Kamala and be the candidate in the general or if he meant he’d beat Trump in the general?
Lol, and now he’s answering the wrong question. Hahahaha
He also referred to Zelenskyy as “President Putin”
Jesus fucking christ!
Imagine going to a buffet and all the dishes are empty save for an extremely suspicious and particularly greasy clam cowder or an overcooked ham sandwich that’s been left out too long.
Also, you have a shellfish allergy.
Great we’re going to be set back hundreds of years because an old Democrat refused to step down…
AGAIN.
… Because that was guaranteed defeat in the past.
Come on, comrade, this angle is played out.
Stick a fork in him.
I was with him until he called Zelensky Putin, that was embarrassing us on the world stage, only to follow it up by calling Kamala Trump.
It’s time for this to be Harris’s ticket, let the VP search begin.
I think that moment where he paused he pooped his pants
Honestly, that this is the headline from the meeting is kind of ridiculous.
I absolutely think Biden should step down and hand the torch to whoever is best able to make the case for their beating trump between now and the convention.
But he was always slipping up with word switches over his career.
He was actually very on top of the policy nuances in this Q&A - 1,000x better than Trump could have dreamed of being.
The one word switch in an hour of nuanced policy discussions as the headline is more a failure of the media than Biden.
Even though he def should be making way as his decline is going to get worse and more info is going to come out.
The one word switch in an hour of nuanced policy discussions as the headline is more a failure of the media than Biden.
This a million times over. He did a great job the whole time and had one weird slip up, and all the media cares about is the slip up.
Fuck the media. Focus on the substantive part of the meeting, not the one meaningless gaffe. I say stupid shit all the time by accident, it doesn’t matter. It’s not even a sign of age, people just do this kind of thing because we’re human.
Focus on the substantive part of the meeting, not the one meaningless gaffe.
Has he had an appearance recently that hasn’t had at least one? Maybe we should ask the leader of Ukraine, President Putin.
A great job the whole time? This gaffe aside, he seemed to lose his train of thought a number of times, he didn’t directly answer some questions and, when he was “on”, he just seemed to repeat parts of his speeches. We can do better. While not my first choice, Kalama is better.
Let’s talk about a Harris/AOC ticket if we have a democracy after this. Everything else is secondary.
The media was seething because they can’t just run another word flub every day. Biden turned their repeated questions about minor misstatements into a policy discussion.
They don’t want to run the story “NATO meeting a success” because it doesn’t get as many clicks as “Biden secretly nuts”. They’ve become tabloids.
He was actually very on top of the policy nuances in this Q&A - 1,000x better than Trump could have dreamed of being.
Well yeah because trump has the mind of a 3rd grader and spews out word salads with no substance to every question because he doesn’t understand any of the questions.
Eh, if you actually watch the video and don’t take it out of context you realize he meant Harris, bcz he later refers to how they can beat trump. Sometimes you say the wrong thing, I’ve done it before and I’m barely into my 30s, and nobody accuses me of being senile.
To be clear, he should have stepped down a long time ago, and I’m not really a fan of Biden. But he’s been making mistakes in speeches like this his entire career. It wasn’t until he became president that everyone started losing their mind over it.
It wasn’t until he became president that everyone started losing their mind over it.
Do you not agree a position as powerful as President should be under more scrutiny?
There’s really no way to express how sad this is. We really don’t want the fascist to win, but it’s time to lay your burdens down, Joe. We love you, but give it up.
Sigh… Well, that’s it. I think he’s done.
For the last five years, Republican attacks on Biden’s age and health have been continuous and stupid. For 4.9 of those years, they’ve been clearly and utterly baseless, which is what makes this doubly infuriating.
He’s had good moments since the “debate,” several of which were good enough to make me think he was fine and this was just more Republican bullshit. And even the debate itself, I thought he warmed after the first twenty minutes or so, and was happily willing to believe he really did just have a cold + jet lag + the general lack of resilience that comes with very old age. Hell, get me sick and then hopped up on cough medicine and I become completely incoherent.
But this… This is two weeks later, and he still couldn’t hold it together. He still seemed listless and intermittently uncertain what was going on.
Maybe this is old age catching up to his speech impediment. Maybe it’s not an actual decline, it’s just the stress of the job and a lapse in his ability to make his mouth do what his brain wants it to do. Maybe.
But even if that’s the case, even if that’s all it is, communication is a core responsibility for the President of the United States of America. And for whatever reason, be it cognitive issues or just an inability to clearly talk, he simply isn’t communicating well anymore.
I hate saying this. I really do. He’s been a very good president. But he should step down and let Kamala Harris take the reins. It’s time.
Your comment is the one most in line with my thought process.
I thought he did just fine in the debate other than having the cold. I’ve defended him since then both here, and to people in my real life. I still think he may be the best president in my life (since first term Reagan), and I was hoping he had a great time at NATO and was going to crush this press conference.
But while I was waiting for it to start, I saw the Putin flub. Then he comes out, sounds tired, sounds hoarse and keeps coughing, keeps pausing, keeps getting names wrong. We got creepy Whispery Joe again. It was so awkward and I felt so bad for him. He’s done a great job, but it looks time to throw in the towel on this campaign.
I’m in an important state for presidential elections. If they keep him upright through November, he’s my guy. If they put in another Dem, I’m with them. But I’m disappointed now it seems too late for him to leave with dignity. He deserves a good legacy, but now he’s going to be Sleepy Joe, especially if he drags this out.
What happened with RBG was a tragedy for me and the country, but this could be apocalyptic for our democracy. I’m so mad that a felon is the solid choice for near half the country. I can’t trust Biden to be our champion in this fight.
To anyone that didn’t watch the conference, watch it. I don’t know how anyone in good conscience can say pressing him to continue is for the best.
Covid probably sped up his mental decline.
This was surreal. To his credit he eventually got into his groove as he moved through his list of approved journalists.
I don’t think he got into his groove at all. This guy is toast. And what’s with all the whispering?
I’m voting democrat no matter what, for obvious reasons, but I don’t understand the down voting for calling out what is pretty obvious. I watched John Stewart’s episode on it, then some interviews today. It was bad. Really bad.
Biden isn’t fit to be president. I wouldn’t trust him with my dinner order. This election hasr potential to be a disaster. Yes, I know staff is doing the work, but it’s still not comforting to have a doddering old man at the helm.
I would think finding someone that is youngish, intelligent,and exciting wouldn’t be that difficult. It would also be a(nother) huge contrast from the orange shit stain.
You made your account today and have done nothing but post negative comments on political posts. What sane person would join Lemmy just to look at political stuff they disagree with and only comment on those? Someone that has an agenda, that’s who. You talk about fear mongering from the left in one of your comments but that’s all you’re doing and have done since you made your account.
I recommend you block this guy before getting into the argument he wants out of you. It’s what I’m gonna do.
He seemed to go in and out of rehearsed responses. Sometimes he’d make sense for minutes at a time and then crash.
And whispering? He asks rhetorical questions and then whispered the answers. Joe Biden is always telling you a secret.
He’s still going and he’s not doing great…
Like, he is saying a lot of words, and they do seek to connect with the ones right next to each other most of the time. But it almost never has anything to do with the question after the first sentence or two
I can’t tell if he’s pretending to talk to people or actually talking to people in the audience. Like I think he sees journalists making comments or reactions and addressing them.
It went on too long, he started to lose his train of thought a few times. The end was weird too. I’m not sure “listen to him” meant what he thought it meant.
The feeding frenzy at the end definitely confirmed that questions were pre-approved and they had to stick with them.
He was hours late because he was cramming the answers for what he was knew was coming.
Nothing about this was unscripted
It’s not complicated. “You think I’m hard to understand? Try listening to that guy.” Subtext.
Also, he is a lifetime politician. They all dodge hard questions, this is not abnormal. People should apply fair standards to him as a politician, not apply special standards just to him as if he should be better than other politicians or something.
The way media works, any good he might have gotten out of the speech or question and answer session is going to be completely overshadowed by this flub.
I completely got what he meant. But it’s another bad moment.
Overall, the whole impression I got was grandpa Joe giving storytime. I just don’t think that’s what we need at this time.
