Public sentiment on the importance of safe, lifesaving childhood vaccines has significantly declined in the US since the pandemic—which appears to be solely due to a nosedive in support from people who are Republican or those who lean Republican, according to new polling data from Gallup.
In 2019, 52 percent of Republican-aligned Americans said it was “extremely important” for parents to get their children vaccinated. Now, that figure is 26 percent, falling by half in just five years. In comparison, 63 percent of Democrats and Democratic leaners said it was “extremely important” this year, down slightly from 67 percent in 2019.
My dad contracted polio as a teen a year before the vaccine came out in our home country. Fuck people who think vaccines are dangerous. Ask my dad how well his legs work.
Same, but my mother.
Vaccines are dangerous. The probability of vaccines progressing from phase 2 to licensure within 10 years was 10.0%.
Licenced vaccines are safe.
Vaccines are dangerous. The probability of vaccines progressing from phase 2 to licensure within 10 years was 10.0%.
Your cited evidence does not support your claim of danger. Safety is demonatrated in phase 0. After determining that the vaccine isn’t particularly dangerous, phase 1 is for determining dosage and side effects, and phase 2 is for determining efficacy.
Safety is demonatrated in the first few months, but the FDA doesn’t normally approve something just because it is safe. It also has to be effective. During the pandemic any degree of effectiveness would save lives, so emergency approval was justified.
During the pandemic any degree of effectiveness would save lives, so emergency approval was justified.
What? Pretty sure the requirement of effectiveness was at least 70%, and the approved vaccines had a >90% effectiveness. Obviously as the virus mutated the effectiveness nosedived, but they were very effective against the original strain. (edit: Effectiveness versus getting infected at all, not against serious illness and death, which remains good)
Ok, X% of vaccines that are developed are abandoned for safety reasons.
My point is that vaccines are not automatically safe, they are rigorously tested before they are licenced.
I think what you’re saying is reasonable, but the way you’re saying it is uncomfortably close to how antivaxxers present their arguments.
I would say that if it doesn’t pass phase 0 (safety trials), it can’t even be considered a vaccine.
Unfortunately antivaxxers have completely polarised any discussion on their topic. Anything even mistaken for being negative towards vaccines is automatically down voted.
I would argue that development of a vaccine starts long before the trial phases. They aren’t like viagra where you target something different and accidentally end up with a vaccine after trials.
Vaccines are not safe because they are Vaccines. They are safe because they are designed and tested to be safe. (Also, safe is a relative measurement but that discussion is too easy to misinterpret)
I would argue that development of a vaccine starts long before the trial phases.
I would argue that its safety or danger at this stage is irrelevant. You can’t go down to your doctor and request to be vaccinated with one of these products: they are not available to the general public. It is disingenuous to argue that they are “dangerous” when they pose no actual danger.
The vaccines you can get from your doctor are safe.
Yes, safety is only relevant when a vaccine is tested on live subjects, but it is still a vaccine, even before testing.
Vaccines from a doctor have been tested to filter out treatments with dangerous side effects. It is not disingenuous to recognise that this filtering has occurred nor discuss the reason why.
Lets see here…
Rabies => nearly 100% death rate, and it’s only pretty recently it’s not 100% with modern non vaccine treatments.
Rabies Vaccine => 100% effective at preventing death.
They are also probably the same wankers who waste Blood banks time telling them they should set up “pure blood” donations or whatever.
Because I’m sure in an emergency, hospital staff have time to dick around and appease grown toddlers.
Yes, a sore arm and a mild fever are clearly worse than a life spent in an iron lung due to polio.
Always hearing about ~30 of GOP, followed by the dumbest shit.
31% of Republicans also say, “Hunter Biden made the moon trans and now we should nuke the sun as a threat to the moon!”
Fucking.weirdos.
Oh, sorry. Not 31%. That’s actually their IQ.
“About 15% of registered voters are stupid” isn’t exactly news.
They are dumbasses. Weird, dumbasses.
Every time I see some of my relatives, I make sure I bring up “oh, by the way shouldn’t I be dead now? You made a pretty big fuss about how everyone who was vaccinated wilouod be dead within a year”
It’s always met with eye rolls and silence.
Ha ha! Love this!
Recently at a doctors visit, this came up. We were discussing the use of AI to design vaccines. Doctor said that it didn’t make any difference because people like his staff nurses wouldn’t take a vaccine in any case. I was shocked. So, he opened the door and asked his nurses. Sure enough, not one nof them would take a new vaccine. I still can’t believe it.
Well, to be fair, recently released vaccines are fairly untested, but it’s mostly fine, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
I suppose this falsehood started with the Covid 19 Vaccine. In early January 2020, labs received the first comprised model of the Covid virus. Due to the current level of science, and smart people, the vaccine was finished in six days. The rest of the year was taken in testing for FDA approval until it was made publicly available in December of 2020. It was well tested.
Well yes, but there was some complications with Jansen and AstraZeneca vaccines: Wikipedia:Jansen(Adverse effects) and Wikipedia: Embolic and thrombotic events after COVID 19 vaccination
There are known complications with flu shots too. In the end you have to answer the question for yourself. Are you going to chance complications and get a polio shot. Or are you going to sit in a wheelchair for the rest of your life? I think you’ll find that the FDA judged these to be minimal probabilities.
I am vaccinated against the coronavirus, but for flu, it’s just too much work.
Flu is just a pain in the ass. Until you get older.
Lockdown taught me that most nurses receive an inadequate education. There were big antivax nursing groups 3 years ago.
My mother has worked in healthcare most of her life and it’s always blown my mind how many people she’s worked with are anti-vax.
It helps to think of healthcare as just another business in the US.
It’s become such a huge industry. People aren’t necessarily there because they believe in the science, but because of all the typical mundane reasons to get any job - stability, income, prestige or appearance of status.
But yes, it’s crazy.
Great and terrible example of the power that the right wing media bubble has on people and the damage it can cause. This isn’t a political issue or a matter of opinion. This is objective and scientific, with extensive real world evidence of vaccines eradicating contagious diseases.
Vaccines are perhaps the single greatest public health breakthrough next to basic sanitation. People have been convinced of an objective, scientific falsehood that puts their own children and the public at large at risk of disease and death. This is brainwashing, full stop.
Antivaxxers existed before COVID, but they were the fringe. It’s now a mainstream Republican belief manufactured out of thin air because COVID was bad for Trump politically and any improvement in the pandemic post-election was good for Biden. The stark partisan split proves it.
I sincerely hope that 31% of Republicans contract Polio. Then maybe they’ll shut the fuck up
Ahh, yes, if only the iron lung encapsulated the head of ® to shut them up.
If we had a way to quarantine them all together so they can’t infect their unvaccinated kids, or anyone else who didn’t ask to participate in their bullshit, I’d be fully on board. Unfortunately, we saw what those dipshits did with COVID.
31% of Republicans so stupid their genes should be prevented from being passed down
Yeah, nothing could go wrong with a little eugenics…
Fortunately, this is a self sorting problem, it’s not eugenics when it’s natural selection.
No worries, they contradicted you so they must be a sHiTlIb
but they affect people who can’t get a vaccine for legitimate medical reasons.
Yeah, no one said natural selection is kind and fair.
If you want to talk forced vaccination I’m personally okay with it but that’s the reality of the situation, it won’t be solved otherwise.
Eugenics is when one group of people dictates the reproduction of another group of people.
Natural selection is when one group of people fails to survive due to inferior decision making, while better decision makers carry on their germlines.
Refusing vaccinations based on conspiracy theories, and dying of disease because of it is 100% natural selection.
Except the comment I replied to says
Their genes should be prevented from being passed down
One group (the commenter I’m replying to) dictating the reproduction (‘should be prevented’) of another group (dumb republicans).
I don’t find that particularly surprising considering that this demographic votes Republican.
