South Western’s elected school board is making some strange decisions.
For the last two years, they’ve fixated on which bathrooms LGBTQ+ kids use. In 2023, officials in this Hanover-area district played musical chairs with school bathrooms in a misguided attempt to appease the loudest bigots among them — ending up with five different types of bathrooms.
After a low-turnout school board election in which several far-right members joined their ranks, they hired a Christian law firm, decided to begin banning books and reopened the bathroom issue. Board President Matthew Gelazela, who was elevated to his post after previously serving as the board’s most vocal bomb-thrower, pointed to Red Lion’s discriminatory policies as something to aspire to.
Now, upon the advice of that law firm — the Harrisburg-based Independence Law Center — the board approved spending $8,700 to cut windows so passersby can look into the so-called “gender-identity” student bathrooms.
After a low-turnout school board election in which several far-right members joined their ranks, they hired a Christian law firm, decided to begin banning books and reopened the bathroom issue.
Fucking VOTE you dumb sons of bitches!
From a local station.
"Our students should not consider the space outside of our stalls as private within the multiuser restrooms. Our current policy states ‘In any facility in a District school that is for use based on Gender Identity, in which a person may be in a state of undress in the presence of others, school personnel shall provide private changing areas for use.’ Areas between our stalls and sinks in multiuser restrooms are not private changing areas under that policy.
Just fucking WOW. I guess we should check their assholes next.
Ok, I’ll explain that a little better: the place where you take a shit is a private space. The place where you wash your hands is a public space.
In a normal restroom, it is permissible to be partially undressed outside of the stalls, but within the hand washing area of the restroom, as that can be considered a changing area, like a locker room.
With the addition of the window, there is no longer a place that can be considered a “changing area” outside the stalls. If they built proper walls and used proper doors for the “stalls”, they just made some private restrooms next to some public sinks.
This is to alienate or ostracize a certain group. They don’t care that someone might change in that area. They want it to fail.
Since you only have a reference from tv about other places outside the US, Germany has unisex bathrooms. It is a place to shit and piss. If you want to change, knock yourself out. However in the US we have tiny doors that you can easily see around. Privacy is not high on our list.
The Republicans do, indeed, want to get rid of these bathrooms, and revert them to boys rooms. If they controlled the board, that is exactly what they would have. The fact that they have 5 different types of restrooms tells me the Republicans aren’t the ones making the decisions; the board is accommodating the students.
The Republicans are using a law prohibiting coed changing rooms. They are claiming the area outside the stalls qualifies as a changing area, and they have precedence to support that designation. If it is a changing area, the gender inclusive restroom violates the law. They do, indeed, want it to fail, which it will do if the issue goes to court while that law is in place.
Unless they can prove that the area outside the stalls is not a changing area. Changing areas don’t have public-facing windows. It can’t be an illegal, coed changing area if it has a public-facing window.
Germany has unisex bathrooms.
That is exactly what they made here. Each stall is now considered a unisex bathroom, and the hand washing area is no longer a “changing area”.
It is a place to shit and piss. If you want to change, knock yourself out. However in the US we have tiny doors that you can easily see around.
Does this particular room use typical semi-private partitions, or have they switched to some sort of wall or full partition that offers actual privacy? The photo shows only the window; it does not provide a good view of the stalls.
You are missing the major point. They are only doing it to one group (singling out). Imagine if they cut a window into the female’s bathroom and determined the outside was not considered private? How about they cut windows to all the bathrooms and make all as just bathrooms. Like you do at your house, unless you have a men’s and women’s bathrooms.
Not all communal restrooms have stall partitions suitable for that plan. Nor do they need them if the area outside the stalls is a changing area. The school does need to provide changing areas. Eliminating one unnecessarily doesn’t make sense.
The discourse around this is very confusing, especially as a non American who has never been in an American school bathroom.
What you’re describing sounds like a normal public toilet set up in my country
There’s a hallway or doorway into an open space with mirrors sinks and hand dryers, sometimes that hallway has a door to it, but often it’s just an open door frame. Sometimes they’ll put a 90 degree turn in the hall to obscure looking straight in, but not always.
Behind the sinks are private stalls. At more expensive locations they’ll have semiambulant stalls, some will even have their own sink inside the stall so that the full access toilet and wash room can be available to those who can’t ambulate.
(full access toilets and wash rooms are entirely seperate from the sink and stalls)
The sink area is often still segregated by gender at older establishments, but anyone walking past could glimpse in and see /shock fully dressed people washing their hands!
What you’re describing sounds like a normal public toilet set up in my country
From the school restrooms I’ve seen depicted in various British TV shows, there isn’t much physical difference. The only practical difference is that males, females, and various other genders might be washing hands in the same room at the same time. Now with a window to remind everyone that the sink area is a public space, and isn’t to be used as a changing area.
so they can watch kids defecate? what is wrong with these inbred fuckups?
Well no, they’re monitoring who is using the bathroom. It’s 100% just so they can make lists and check them twice to number who’s naughty who’s nice.
Ed: to be cheese I don’t agree and this is dumb but I do love a dumb rhyme
And the school board president ran as a member of the “Libertarian Party”.
Sorry isn’t “gender identity” the most common public restroom type in America, and also the opposite of the one they’re concerned about? They aren’t putting windows in the boys’ room or the girls’ room, which are segregated by gender. These are the gender neutral restrooms that they want to peek into (or really, discourage anyone from using). Up is down with these people.
Time to retrofit some staff bathrooms and save them 18k doing it themselves
man from the child molester party wants windows in childrens bathrooms for totally not molester reasons.
Ah, this takes me back to my own high school days back in the 90s where none of the boys’ toilet stalls had doors on them. I assume as some sort of anti-masturbation tactic. I’ve got nervous bathroom issues already so I basically held it in until I got home most of the time.
I went through 4 years of high school without ever taking a shit at school for this very reason.
It wasn’t because the bathrooms were disgusting?
We had a bunch of stalls in the 90s without doors, but the janitors told us it was just because asshole kids would break the doors for fun and the school would run out of money to repair them.
Even just partially damaging a door can make it a dangerous enough that the school would rather take it down than risk a lawsuit.
Made more sense to me than some sort of anti masturbation strategy. High school kids are fucking dumb as shit and I can definitely imagine them breaking stall doors for fun
Yup, at my highschool by week 5 they’d be swapping all the gender signs on the bathrooms because the girls were wrecking the mirrors and the boys would bust the doors, and they only had the budget to fix each once so they’d rotate who used which bathrooms to even out the type of damage so even though boys were constantly smashing the doors the first door wouldn’t come off the hinge until the end of first term (versus within the first week, which was the damage rate before faculty started the sign swap system).
There was one year where in Term 4 we had a row of porta-pottys because some one’s dad owned a shitter company and that was cheaper than fixing the real bathrooms.
I don’t know why those degenerates were breaking the bathrooms knowing they’d be stuck pissing with the normal door… Why they couldn’t just set fire to the grass behind the woodshop like normal delinquents. Grass grows back for free.
I work at a community education centre now, and the soap dispensers appear to be what everyone likes destroying these days.
We can’t afford to replace them so we currently have bottles of hand soap tied to the taps with string that I replace every other day.
Also I’ve had to put signs up reminding teenagers that poo particles from flushing will land on every surface in a bathroom, so stop kissing the mirrors.
Curtain rods and opaque shower curtains it is then. The more they get stolen the more kid like they get replaced with until they have to shit looking at Dora the Explorer.
It only just occurred to me that bathroom stalls in the schools almost never have any marketing on them like they do at shopping centres, ours certainly don’t.
Which isn’t weird, (obviously don’t want corporate marketing into schools) but at home you hang stuff in your bathroom when you have kids- map of the world, vexology poster, dinosaur poster, etc, and I’m always trying to find a way to force my students to actually look at the term calendar in advance instead of being suprised that there’s a scheduled assessment today.
I’m replacing the soap in the bathrooms every day, how has it never occurred to me to slap a poster on the back of the door so the students have something to look at, I’ve got so many posters with no wall space too!
That’s a pretty awesome idea. Just know that it’s going to get defaced so you’ll likely have to replace it every now and then.
These posters are destined for the recycling bin (they’re the old ones from the main classroom) so if anything it might reduce damage to other things if people are defacing the poster instead.
though in saying that, we don’t have a tagging issue at our centre - I’ve rarely had to remove graffiti from toilets, it’s only the soap dispensers that keep getting messed with here, but ripping the posters is also fine, if it makes someone less tempted to rip the soap off the wall.
Well that’s cool, I like seeing educators this involved.
It helps that I work in community ed, there are 5 people on our entire faculty, so we litteraly all do a little bit of every job there is to do at an education centre.
My payslips look hilarious because I get paid 8 different rates per week depending on what I’m actually doing, admin, custodial, teaching, etc.
But this is the style of chaotic yet whole-ass-in education that drives me. I would quickly burn out at a more structured school-based workplace.
Kids slamming bathroom stall doors and kicking them with their feet seems to be pretty common from my vague memories.
During that TikTok toilet stealing thing that happened, the schools here removed all the stall doors.
starting to think the anti trans crusaders are just paedophiles looking to legitimise paedophilia.
Pedo-con theory is a “theory”, like the theory of Gravity is “only a theory.”
Conservative Christians increase their involvement and within a year the children’s bathroom has a viewport for pedophiles installed.
This won’t help much, hard to tell much just by someone’s face. What we need here is a window specifically for viewing the children’s genitalia. And then we need a dedicated monitor to watch all the children use the bathroom.
John, the repressed religious fundamentalist, has already volunteered. We’ve designed a room where he can monitor the genitalia from the holes we’ve cut, and we’ve also installed cameras inside the urinals and toilets with a feed that goes to the monitoring room, in case anyone tries to defeat our system.
The monitoring room has no windows or cameras in it, and the door locks from the inside, so, I think we’ve finally solved the problem. Consider the liberals owned!
i think we should probably take a page out of the book of “historical chinese cuisine” and cook dumplings in the piss of young boys or whatever the fuck that one thing they do is.
not /s, (well aside from my satire)
I’ll pass thanks
fair enough
What fucking law firm approved this? Must be one Trump uses. Because letting people look in on underage kids in the bathroom must be unconstitutional not to mention illegal? If that was going on in my kids school I be suing.
So, we’ve created the Toilet Safety Administration. Wonderful.
Wow that’s a pretty disgusting clip even for Southpark
Disgusting? Yes.
Accurate? Also yes, unfortunately.
This seems to be a pretty blatant violation of IBC chapter 21 1210.3
Throwing out codes when you don’t know any details about the situation is classic lemmy brain
That doesn’t seem to be a code? Are you talking about the cope lintel and I guess 2104.1.1?
*oh that’s some 2021 version change. PA is on 2018 and chapter 21 is masonry which got me to the other violation.
You can violate 2021 IBC all you want in PA because it isn’t adopted code. 2018 only cares about privacy for urinal partitions and the enclosed stalls which weren’t touched.
Dang I didn’t realize root beer has so many rules.
Sassafras, one of the main traditional ingredients in the manufacture of root beer, is carcinogenic and has been banned in the US since 1960. There are a surprising number of rules surrounding root beer.
passerby
No.
passersby
NO.
Passers-by.
Yes. That’s the one that is valid at all.
Now, upon the advice of that law firm — the Harrisburg-based Independence Law Center — the board approved spending $8,700 to cut windows so passersby can look into the so-called “gender-identity” student bathrooms.
Anyone want to take a bet that someone at the law firm or on the school board, really loves to sexual assault children?
The only way to stop a bad guy with a window in your child’s bathroom to watch them pee, is a good guy with a window in your child’s bathroom to watch them pee
They go on and on about how they don’t want the dangerous transgenders in the bathroom, but now anyone can peek in to confirm… What, exactly? It’s not like the windows are in the stalls, so just for them assume someone gender? “You look too feminine, no boys room for you. Sorry, too masculine, no ladies room.” What’s next, strip searches? Wtf is it with them and the bathroom…
It’s to ensure people remain on the outside and excluded.
If someone’s preferred bathroom in the men’s room, but they are forbidden from using it, they have a special bathroom to use. However we can’t have them privately using a bathroom. We have to put them on display. EVERYONE needs to know they are different. The goal is to exclude, the goal is to make them feel different, the goal is hate. It’s disgusting.
As students, hopefully, they just start to use the bathroom normally. If all students use it, then it’s not weird. Now that’s unfair to push on middle school students. But it’s an option.
What’s next, strip searches?
Hardly “what’s next”. This has been a fixation by conservatives since since the Obama Administration
Aimee Toms was washing her hands in the women’s bathroom at Walmart in Danbury Friday when a stranger approached her and said, “You’re disgusting!” and “You don’t belong here!”
After momentary confusion, she realized that the woman next to her thought — because of her pixie-style haircut and baseball cap — that she was transgender.
Longer than that, even! Circa 2003/04 my 14 year old ass was getting chewed out by shitty Karens because they couldn’t fathom the idea of a young teen girl sporting a pixie cut and wearing baggy metal tees, skate jeans and vans. I’ve actually resorted - more than once - to showing my used menstrual products as proof. Well, more as a way to harass them back, but. You know.
Joke’s on me, though, I guess, since I’m actually genderfluid lol.
Wtf is it with them and the bathroom…
They really love people’s gentials. The younger the genital, the better.
