I think there’s a time and a place for criticizing our candidates. The time is during the candidate’s term and in the Primaries. During the General, it’s a bad time to do so. And you have to realise: You don’t always get what you want. You say you want a candidate that Dem voters want to be President. The opportunity for that to happen is in the primaries. Unfortunately, the time for that has come and gone.
Biden won those primaries. The voters for the Democratic Party, who ALL get a say, put Biden up front. And people hammered Biden, including bad actors from the other party as well as from foreign countries, until Biden had no room for error. When he flubbed the first debate, we used the rules for succession, with him stepping down and his VP taking the top spot, like what would happen if he was rendered incapable of serving while he was in office.
I return to my key point. Trump or Harris are our choices today. No Third Party will win. As long as you are voting for Harris, criticise away. Just know that I will push back against any post that seems to suggest our candidate is horribad and shouldn’t be voted for. Not voting for Harris means we get Trump.
The time is during the candidate’s term and in the Primaries.
You think we had a primary?
And during their term? That’s like saying the best time to negotiate price is after the sale is made…
Your view only makes sense if you’re operating under the assumption the candidate won’t listen to any criticism or adjust their policy to align with Dem voters more and maximize their chances of winning the election.
Biden isn’t the candidate anymore, Harris certainly isn’t perfect but I believe she’s at least willing to open a dialog with Dem voters, even after the shit that was pulled at the DNC where she did the opposite.
Dem voters aren’t Republican voters, telling them to shut up and vote D depresses turnout, what improves Dem turnout is the candidate listening to voters so that they feel part of the party and more likely to support the candidate, even if the candidates position doesn’t change.
It’s really as easy as that to boost Dem turnout.
It’s only bad for the Dem candidate if they act like a spoiled toddler who’s told there’s no ice cream till the vegetables are gone
Yeah…I thought you might be reasonable, but this? This proves you aren’t reasonable.
Dear reader. We did have a primary. We even had a choice between RFK Jr., Marianne Williamson, Jason Palmer, and Dean Philips. Polling showed Joe Biden with a 60% margin (not vote share, MARGIN) before the Primaries, and he won a total of 14.47 million votes, for 87.1% of the vote share. 3905 pledged delegates voted for him. The second biggest share of the vote was Uncommitted, who could only muster 37 delegates and 4.25% of the vote. Democracy had its day, and unlike givesomefucks here, I’m not going to dismiss the results.
Biden dropped out because elements of our voting coalition combined with bad actors from the Republican Party and Russia and hammered him on his age and capability. He had a bad debate night, seeming to give those elements justification and he ended up throwing in the towel. Since he won the nomination, thanks to a variety of reasons ranging from ballot access and campaign contributions, Harris was elevated to his position and continued the ticket. You know, exactly what would happen if that MAGA idiot had gotten to Biden before he got to Trump and didn’t miss? Just sayin!
Yes, folks. We do have to hold our tongues and noses and vote for the Democrat. It is that simple. 2000 and 2016 are perfect examples of what happens when we don’t. We have to accept that this country is not friendly to liberals and leftists. 1968, 1980, and 1984 made that clear. All elections are about who you can have a conversation with. Everyone who thought Gore was boring and two-faced, myself included (I didn’t vote in the 2000 election because I bought Nader’s Both Sides Bad bullshit) got an object lesson in the Lesser of Two Evils when Bush won and basically ran the country into the ground. Yes, our time to influence the Democratic Party is in the Primaries, with data taken from the candidate’s term – every broken promise, every sellout, every capitulation. But there also needs to be a bit of reason taken as well. Biden has tried like three times to deal with Student Loan debt. Each time, Republicans have thwarted him, enabled by the people who thought Obama wasn’t Liberal enough who stayed home in 2010 and 2014, and the people who stayed home or voted third party in 2016, demonstrating that they’d rather have Trump than Clinton.
I think there’s a time and a place for criticizing our candidates. The time is during the candidate’s term and in the Primaries. During the General, it’s a bad time to do so. And you have to realise: You don’t always get what you want. You say you want a candidate that Dem voters want to be President. The opportunity for that to happen is in the primaries. Unfortunately, the time for that has come and gone.
Biden won those primaries. The voters for the Democratic Party, who ALL get a say, put Biden up front. And people hammered Biden, including bad actors from the other party as well as from foreign countries, until Biden had no room for error. When he flubbed the first debate, we used the rules for succession, with him stepping down and his VP taking the top spot, like what would happen if he was rendered incapable of serving while he was in office.
I return to my key point. Trump or Harris are our choices today. No Third Party will win. As long as you are voting for Harris, criticise away. Just know that I will push back against any post that seems to suggest our candidate is horribad and shouldn’t be voted for. Not voting for Harris means we get Trump.
You think we had a primary?
And during their term? That’s like saying the best time to negotiate price is after the sale is made…
Your view only makes sense if you’re operating under the assumption the candidate won’t listen to any criticism or adjust their policy to align with Dem voters more and maximize their chances of winning the election.
Biden isn’t the candidate anymore, Harris certainly isn’t perfect but I believe she’s at least willing to open a dialog with Dem voters, even after the shit that was pulled at the DNC where she did the opposite.
Dem voters aren’t Republican voters, telling them to shut up and vote D depresses turnout, what improves Dem turnout is the candidate listening to voters so that they feel part of the party and more likely to support the candidate, even if the candidates position doesn’t change.
It’s really as easy as that to boost Dem turnout.
It’s only bad for the Dem candidate if they act like a spoiled toddler who’s told there’s no ice cream till the vegetables are gone
Yeah…I thought you might be reasonable, but this? This proves you aren’t reasonable.
Dear reader. We did have a primary. We even had a choice between RFK Jr., Marianne Williamson, Jason Palmer, and Dean Philips. Polling showed Joe Biden with a 60% margin (not vote share, MARGIN) before the Primaries, and he won a total of 14.47 million votes, for 87.1% of the vote share. 3905 pledged delegates voted for him. The second biggest share of the vote was Uncommitted, who could only muster 37 delegates and 4.25% of the vote. Democracy had its day, and unlike givesomefucks here, I’m not going to dismiss the results.
Biden dropped out because elements of our voting coalition combined with bad actors from the Republican Party and Russia and hammered him on his age and capability. He had a bad debate night, seeming to give those elements justification and he ended up throwing in the towel. Since he won the nomination, thanks to a variety of reasons ranging from ballot access and campaign contributions, Harris was elevated to his position and continued the ticket. You know, exactly what would happen if that MAGA idiot had gotten to Biden before he got to Trump and didn’t miss? Just sayin!
Yes, folks. We do have to hold our tongues and noses and vote for the Democrat. It is that simple. 2000 and 2016 are perfect examples of what happens when we don’t. We have to accept that this country is not friendly to liberals and leftists. 1968, 1980, and 1984 made that clear. All elections are about who you can have a conversation with. Everyone who thought Gore was boring and two-faced, myself included (I didn’t vote in the 2000 election because I bought Nader’s Both Sides Bad bullshit) got an object lesson in the Lesser of Two Evils when Bush won and basically ran the country into the ground. Yes, our time to influence the Democratic Party is in the Primaries, with data taken from the candidate’s term – every broken promise, every sellout, every capitulation. But there also needs to be a bit of reason taken as well. Biden has tried like three times to deal with Student Loan debt. Each time, Republicans have thwarted him, enabled by the people who thought Obama wasn’t Liberal enough who stayed home in 2010 and 2014, and the people who stayed home or voted third party in 2016, demonstrating that they’d rather have Trump than Clinton.
Can you try again but this time not violate this subs rules?
I didn’t bother reading the rest when the very first sentence is an insult
I just called you unreasonable. We’ll see if the mods think that’s a violation of the TOS. Have a nice life, either way.
“Unreasonable” isn’t pejorative.
“Fucking unreasonable” would be removed.
Then why was the comment removed?
It’s literally right there…
By your own admission:
That’s against civility rules.
But what I said still stands, if you try again without the civility breaking parts, I’m willing to spend some time to help you understand.