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Wait till you see how much we loose from killing the Department of Education. Education is like the easiest ROI
Just like in corporate america, the savings hit this quarter so bonuses all around. Then the CEO jumps ship and it’s someone else’s problem next quarter.
It’s not the quickest though. ROI timeline is 18 years minimum for tax from non-degree level jobs, 22/23 years for degree level, and 26 to 30 years for post doctoral.
It’s sad. The quarterly pressure to generate value is one of the worst economic forces of capitalism which drives enshitification, job-instability from the “fire bottom performing 10%” so that you can post more “profits” from cost cutting, and the general short-term thinking that pervades all aspects of the culture.
It’s the reason “nobody” builds things to last or metaphorically plants something now for the future: it’s not profitable quick enough.
Totally agree. Was talking to my brother who worked for the US Corps of Engineers. He said they have a decades long outlook for their projects. So if they want to remove a dam or something, studies are done to make sure that is the smartest move not just for the next few years, but the next several decades.
So refreshing vs the typical “new CEO wants to fire x% of the workforce to generate 1% more profit this year (ignore the fact that customers will leave when it’s that much shittier here… That’s next year’s (and next Ceo’s) problem)”.
Making big losses attracts investors. - Elon Musk
So the government is collecting 500 billion less this year. They didn’t lose anything because they never had it in the first place
This is logic only a moron can understand. What are you even trying to say?
Incorrect. By law that money is owed to the government as taxes. Doge hasn’t changed that. They have only ensured they don’t have the staff to collect.
Aha! Just like my local food bank didn’t lose funding - it just didn’t receive its next funding installment! Good job on the useless pedantry, Batman!
Lost.
Not saved. Lost. Elon and the Musketeers lost this nation half a trillion dollars.
Trump did say he’s only just getting started.
Well April 2nd is our supposed “national day of prosperity”. Which analysts think means he is going to enact global tariffs as well as all the retaliatory tariffs he is planning.
So far.
You’re spinning it wrong. “With the doge cuts, we saved you half a trillion dollars in taxes”
I’m not sure where they expect the loss, but I’m sure it’s not regular people whose paychecks have taxes withheld, and who file their taxes without major fraud.
They’ll lose money off people like the mango Mussolini whose corporate shell game is so complex that he used to brag the IRS couldn’t afford to hire enough people to audit his taxes
…that’s not what happened.
This is like a fuck off huge gas turbine generator spinning at full chat and then just starting to take parts off of it and snipping fluid lines. One of the features of turbines is that they will continue to run for a bit even when they’re heading in the direction of catastrophic failure, since it’s all angular momentum and no reciprocation. But it IS going to catastrophically fail.
This is the system just eating itself and money being - at best - siphoned into someone’s pockets, or more likely, just being outright wasted. The USAID cuts, for instance, basically locked an absolute shitload of consumables and perishables in warehouses to spoil. That’s what we’re talking about. And that’s only the most obvious example.
Another 4 months and they could have lost enough to forgive all student loans. :/
And don’t forget the 10 trillion in lost war plane sales due to "toning them down in case our allies turn on us’, just like he has turned on Canada and Europe.
MAGA/DOGE were bragging about getting like 100 billion dollars over ten years from tariffs while the US gains ~1.5 trillion dollars every year in income tax revenue.
Everything is bad right now.
Not for the rich, but that was the plan all along
I think DOGE should send out stimulas checks because of all the money that is going to be saved.
This would be more than reasonable if they were actually doing what they said.
In real life, they’re costing the US an insane amount of money, and working class taxpayers will carry the burden of paying for it as usual.
It could easily set a new record for largest transfer of wealth from the workers to the rich in human history.
Oh so sad. Elect a clown expect a circus.
Install an unelected billionaire, expect theft.
You gotta give it to Elmo, few people would have been able to pull off that feat. I mean, losing that much money takes hard work and dedication, and I’m not even kidding hete. It actually takes a certain skill set (extreme incompetency combined with an unending unearned confidence) to be able to lose that much money that quickly. I was impressed with the money he lost from Twitter, but that’s peanuts now, that’s a rounding error in comparison to what he’s losing the US now.
That money isn’t lost, I think we all know who’s going to divvy it up when all is said and done.
Hey now, let’s not demean little Donny two-scoops, who has an almost equally well honed ability to lose money where it should be impossible.
The article doesn’t explain how, where the money went, or how the IRS knows this.
For every dollar spent on IRS staffing, etc, it’s estimated to be at least a 7x return. Any disruptions are going to cost a lot with that in mind. Also, I find it a little misguided to question the IRS, an agency that shows its work’s opinion on DOGE, an “agency?” Which has failed to show its work and has been caught lying frequently.
Cutting staff thereby reducing the IRS’s ability to find and go after wealthy tax cheats.
The fourth sentence of the article explains it
The Post reports today that the IRS’s internal projections estimate that the DOGE-driven disruptions to the IRS since the inauguration are on track to have reduced tax receipts by more than $500 billion by April 15th. This, to be clear, is not a final tally. It’s not April 15th yet. It’s a projection based on historical data, the number of people who’ve filed, paid owed amounts of tax etc.
It should be blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that the “Department of Government Efficiency” isn’t really about efficiency.
Just like the “ministry of truth” isn’t about the truth.
And now the “environmental protection agency” is about extracting profit at the expense of the environment
Remember, they’re talking about efficiency all day long, but they’re not mentioning effectivity with a single word.
Efficiency is how fast/cheap/ressource-less you can get something done. Effectivity is if you’re even doing the right thing at all.
You can be super efficient, but still not be effective by doing something, so…
I mean we can just say they aren’t about efficiency because they don’t research anything before they start making cuts it’s simply I don’t like USAID let’s gut it, I don’t like the SSA so let’s gut it.
They know what they’re doing even if Trump somehow gets the boot we’re looking at probably 50 years or more to get back our world position if they don’t fuck our economy up so badly it’s effectively impossible to comeback.
Effectivity is if you’re even doing the right thing at all.
Not exactly. It’s more about whether or not you’ve accomplished the thing you set out to do, irrespective of resources and irrespective of “right” or “wrong”.
So in this case, if DOGE’s actual goal is the dismantling of the administrative state (literally spelled out in Project 2025), then I would say that they’ve been very effective.
They don’t seem to care about the efficiency aspect.
It’s the TSA of efficiency
Imagine being so fucking dumb you use IRS data to go after immigrants who are paying taxes, thus ensuring no immigrant ever pays taxes again.
Let’s qualify this more accurately. It’s not lost. It’s “lost.”
Let’s all keep an eye out for the shiny new upgrades to putin’s war crimes in Ukraine.
I think we should organize and go demand everyone working for DOGE… stop. And not demand like with funny signs and chants, but like with 2nd amendment arms.
Anyone checked behind the couch cushions?
while vance is vp? ew, no
Dare I ask what you mean by that?
you might find things other than loose change behind the cushions when there’s a couchfucker on the loose.
you write a book that gets turned into a movie, help draft the most optimistic plan for turning a reasonable functional democracy into a dictatorship, rock eyeliner at least as well as any 80’s glam-rock start, but you fuck one* couch, and that’s all you’re remembered for.
- well, you know, the ones in the furniture store didn’t count, and the futon was technically a futon, and I was genuinely concerned that I’d be maimed by the recliner, and when I was drunk didn’t count, and beanbag chairs are barely even a chair…
Vance the couch fucker.
There was a claim that, in the first draft of his book, Vance recounted a teenage sexual encounter with a couch. In great detail.
This claim came with an image of the text, which is easily found if you want that sort of thing.
The truthfulness of the claim has been questioned, but Vance just seems like the kind of guy who would fuck a couch.
So this sounds like a number they won’t be able to easily cover up.
It all depends how you count saved and lost.
If a govt program costs $1m to run but saves $1t in, say, mental health services, then you can just turn that off and save $1m right?
