it’s everywhere
And they are doing what that is useful? The amount of people in any of these pictures could easily enter the White House and unseat Trump, yet here
wethey are, performativelizing.I do agree that the resistance needs to become more radical, but you don’t just enter the seat of power and unseat the democratically elected president. Like it or not he still has a popular mandate and that needs to be destroyed first; that’s ultimately what civic resistance is all about. Also he has armed security, which can just shoot any intruders in part because of said popular mandate.
What popular mandate? The guy won the same amount of votes as last time. Stop with this mandate shit, it’s bullcrap.
Like it or not he still has a popular mandate and that needs to be destroyed first;
Okay, then how? Because from what I have seen pretty much every official in a position of civil service just resigns to let Trump do as he pleases, so there’s not much of a resistance. Who in civil service is supposed to unseat Trump? DOGE is certainly not gonna do it.
Who in civil service is supposed to unseat Trump?
Absolutely nobody. Trump’s mandate has to be destroyed by widespread popular resistance. Think what Ukraine and Tunisia did and Turkey is doing right now.
It’s performative.
It’s the same reason sports games have hype crews in the form of bands or a cheer squad. It livens the audience up.
In politics it also sends a message to their reps that they could/should be a little bit more aggressive in promoting what their people are saying.
You want the people to “Maga hat” riot the white house? You think that’s the plan?
Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Attack the head of the snake and chances are you’ll get bit. He’ll be in a chopper before a window gets broken and the National Guard will be there in minutes.
The GOP are getting cold feet, Musk is close to leaving, and Trump is starting to throw his appointees under the bus. Sorry you probably won’t get to see Trump tied up and crowd surfed into a van to never be seen again but this is the process.
Sorry you probably won’t get to see Trump tied up and crowd surfed into a van to never be seen again but this is the process.
Sure, whatever process that works works. My point is I’m not seeing a process - I’m no seeing progress. Just complaining, which is something the elites can already and have always burrowed their heads in the sand at.
The process is broken because the people in charge of the processes hadn’t had a reminder that the American people wants them to perform their job. This is that reminder. In order for the reminder to be more effective, we need more people to join in, not more people trying to douse cold water on the movement just to promote more drastic actions that lacks the foundation to do anything effective. You want people to be able to drag fascists out of the White House if the situation calls for it? Then, you need more people that is able to fight against fascism. Easiest method to do that is to protest together and show more people that there is enough people fighting against it for them to come out fighting as well.
And they are doing what that is useful?
Protesting, making their voices heard. Showing the world that not all Americans are fascists.
The amount of people in any of these pictures could easily enter the White House and unseat Trump
You clearly don’t have any idea how overzealous the security in and around the white house is.
Even IF they somehow got to the oval office after suffering hundreds if not thousands of casualties, the Mango Mussolini would have long since been whisked into a bunker and secret service and the military would arrest or kill all of them.
yet here
wethey are, performativelizingThe first person part was correct, the plural wasn’t. What’s performative is your insistence that the obviously impossible is easy.
Honestly though. I thought it would take hundreds of casualties to get into the capital building. And really, is trump actually in the white house much? Golf ain’t going to play itself. But these protests build up the confidence of people who want to do more. It makes them feel like the people are behind them. So maybe these are warm ups for taking the white house.
I thought it would take hundreds of casualties to get into the capital building
It would have if they hadn’t been almost exclusively white members of the MAGA cult. One reason why there were so few cops hindering them was that Trump ordered a standdown, and another was the fact that there were more cops participating in the coup attempt than resisting it.
If it had been a diverse leftist group, you better believe there’d be both cops and military shooting to kill rather than the suspiciously restrained tactics employed that day.
Would it even get that far? Gathering that many people in one spot, at the same time, with a coherent plan would take… a lot of communication. And we know for a fact that the spooks are listening in.
But, hell, @veniasilente@lemm.ee, start organizing people. I’m interested in seeing how far it gets.
Classic astroturfing right here. “let’s bitch about people getting involved but not yet murdering people!” cut this shit out. And get involved!
Doesn’t look like that. I skimmed the profile very briefly, and it looks like a bad take on an otherwise active and normal account.
Also classic astroturfing is complaining about astroturfing. Fact is you never know who posts a comment. But mostly, I agree with your sentiment here.
So is Trump and his entire admin stepping down then?
You do understand mass movements don’t affect change in 48 hours, generally. Not from start to finish.
I hope the US is building towards a general strike against Trump et al
But hopefully soon
5+ million in attendance. A whopping 1.5% of the population.
In Seattle it was closer to 3.3%, which is kind of insane.
Now all they have to do this until main stream media cannot widely ignore this in the US.
These are the precursors to a general strike. There’s are a lot of great people out here building support networks for when it finally happens.
Please come get involved!
Their mansions are in gated communities with security keeping out the “undesirables”. Remember “I really don’t care, do you” is the truth about them.
It’s been a couple of decades since I’ve lived in the states, but I used to watch some US TV, via satellite and later cable (TV through fiber, actually) I stopped watching US TV 2-3 years prior to COVID. I just can’t stand it. Regular TV is pretty bad worldwide, but US TV is on another level of bad.
If they can ignore genocide, they can ignore protests. Just like they always do.
I know it’s easy to criticize the media, but, like, they have been reporting on it.
It’ll be right before the false flag attack used to justify repression of dissent
Why not gather the masses outside their mansions? Why do people keep gathering at the most calculatedly ineffectual areas where they’re ignored time and time again?
Have you ever been to the U.S.? We can’t all drive 3,000 km. We live in a country with drastically lower population density than European countries.
People drove across the country to go to Washington yesterday, organizers supplied coaches from every major city. Same with BLM, Occupy, and many movements before it. But god forbid we do that towards a location that could actually make a difference.
People downvote, but i am not very convinced that the protest will do anything. I also wonder why we protest where we do and when we do. I suppose the intention is that we are still in the politicians fuck around part, but not quite up to politicians find out part.
Hopefully i am proven wrong and something will happen, but even then i fear that people will settle for things being only nominally worse then normal after the scalding.
They are gathering on a Saturday when trunps playing golf in Florida.
Ikr? Those protestors really went out of their way (on their day off) to really stick it to trump (who was happily playing golf). Goes to show how ineffective and purely symbolic these protests are.
You do realize these are regular ass people who have jobs and rent and mortgages and bills to pay and kids to support? Like, we can’t be out on the street every single day.
How often are you out in the streets?
I’ve been out protesting for 14 years before last august when a fascist pig threw a brick at my knee during the pogroms in the UK. Now I can’t walk and have been diagnosed with numerous autoimmune disorders, so I physically can’t even leave my house. Perhaps it’s too much to ask you to pick up the torch.
And for the record, you’re already seeing MAGA rat out anti-MAGA to deport them, pretty soon you’ll be seeing anti-MAGA reporting other anti-MAGA to protect themselves from MAGA, and the “I have kids to take care of” crowd will be the first to turn on their own for the sake of self preservation. Your job, rent, mortgage, bills, and kids are all at stake here, and more of a reason to start knocking on the oligarchs door. Are you saying you prefer your own protection vs the future for your children?
“Mommy/daddy, did you fight for our future?” “No, I continued going to work because the mortgage was more important.”
Is your argument is that anyone who is unwilling to nuke their entire life for the movement is insufficiently motivated and shouldn’t even bother getting involved?
If that’s your stance, then you’re just plain wrong and you should probably keep quiet about it because your working against the movement.
Vanguard revolutions don’t work. They just replace one set of shitty authoritarians with another. The ONLY way this can ever work is if we make the movement accessible to as broad a swath of people as humanly possible.
I’ve been a political activist for 22 years now. I cut my teeth on the front lines of the anti-Iraq War movement in 2003. I was at Occupy. I spent my early-to-mid 20s with little regard for my personal safety and financial stability. But nobody keeps that up forever. I’m pretty sure I did it longer than most. But that’s not all I want from life.
Yes, fighting fascism is important to protecting my kids’ future (I have 2 kids). You know what else is equally important to that, though? Making sure they have a stable home and food on their plates now. And I can’t do that if I nuke my life by spending every single day in the streets, losing my job, and getting arrested.
My kids won’t have to ask me what I did because they’re there with me. Both my 3 yo and 5 yo were at the DC protest on Saturday. And this wasn’t either of their first action. My 5 yo was with us at the 2020 uprising when she was less than a year old.
A successful movement takes all kinds. Yes, there are some who can take greater risks and more radical actions, but I’m not at that place in my life anymore and that’s fine. If we can’t find a way to include people who have other responsibilities in life, too, without insulting them or implying they’re not really interested in change, then the entire movement is cooked.
So, thank you for your past service to the cause, but if you don’t have anything constructive to say, kindly fuck off.
Don’t let the rise of fascism get in the way of a days work I guess?
Don’t limit the size of your movement or it’s popular support because you’re unwilling to include people who aren’t able nuke their lives. If I don’t keep my job my children go hungry and lose their home. I’m unwilling to do that to them.
That being America, it would not surprise me.
Stop watching that trash. The US has awesome media outlets that have been widely covering US protests.
Meidastouch
For heavens sake, I’m not a regular watcher of US mainstream “media”. There is only so much junk a human can stand. I was just observing the coverage of this particular event out of curiosity what they would do about it.
Everywhere except the past… where we fucking needed it.
Most people do not care about (and do not want to care about) anything under the broad topic of “politics”.
If you try to force them to care, they will punish you. That’s what we’re seeing, but it’s also why it’s so damn hard to stir people to action before things go wrong.
It’d be nice if all of these protesters had bothered to vote and not with protest votes.
Oh look, another liberal blaming eveybody and anybody except the traish-tier Democrat platform/candidate.
What makes you think they didn’t?
75 million people voted for Harris. We likely won’t know the count of today’s protests, but I feel safe saying it was far fewer than 75 million.
The estimate was 5 million people across 1300 cities.
A lot of people complaining about these protests seem to think that level of coordinated protesting isn’t impressive.
Those numbers alone should make anyone stop and think about what’s going on.
It’s going to get bigger as people’s 401Ks evaporate.
It would be nice if there had been non-fascist duopoly candidates to vote for. But here we are.
Let’s not forget that there are more than two choices. I understand there is certainly a duopoly, but that only continues as long as we continue voting for only one or the other.
“proper action wasn’t taken in the past therfore I won’t accept any action being taken in the future.”
In the US system it doesn’t matter how you vote except in like 7 states.
Well, that wouldn’t be true if everyone voted, but it does bring up the point that winner take all is just a bad representative system.
There is no such thing as a good “representative” system.
Their demands seem to be as feeble they might as well not exist. So the mass protests might not exist as well. Hands off bla bla lol, might as well send a sternly written letter haha. “Oh please sir, could you possibly be less rough with me?!”
I heard that the USA has been involved in illegal regime change in other countries 62 times. Sixty two times! Overthrowing quite a few democracies too. But for the US this seems unthinkable still, even for mother jones. A simple demand like the Trump administration to step down and call for new elections seems to be nowhere to be found.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT REVOLUTION!
Lol what is this pathetic attention seeking behavior?
Did you get the attention you wanted bby?
As it stands now leadership change in the US does not include the possibility of calling elections.
If Trump steps down, Vance takes over. If Vance also steps down, it’s Mike Johnson, then Chuck Grassley, Marco Rubio, and so on.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
For that to change, Congress would have to establish a new presidential succession process, which they could do. However, they won’t.
This is exactly how every single popular uprising in history has started: by overwhelming numbers of people getting out in the streets to have their voices heard. They always start off as peaceful until drive past that by elite/institutional reaction.
If this were a single instance, then, yes, it would seem feeble and ineffectual. But it’s not. It’s the early days of a large movement. We’re less than 3 months into the regime and this past Saturday was already the single largest day of protest in American history. And there’s another one scheduled in 2 weeks on the 19th.
I was at the protest in DC. There was 100k+ people there. I’ve been a political activist since the protests against the Iraq War in 2003. This event on Saturday was notably different than any other I’ve attended in 2 ways. One was the sheer size, larger than any other protest in DC I’ve seen. The other was the demographic composition of the crowd. All previous protests I’ve been to were primarily filled with male-presenting young people. This was very different. At 38 years old, I was definitely younger than the majority of the people there. It was also far more racially diverse than any other events I’ve been to except for the 2020 uprising.
What do you expect a giant crowd of people mostly in their 40s-60s to do? You think they were all going to storm the White House or Capital?
For that matter, what are you doing? You say these demonstrations are pathetic? Then surely you must be taking more radical actions that have a much higher chance of effecting change. I’d love to join in, so, please, tell me what you’re doing that’s puts the 5 million people out in the streets on Saturday to shame?
I was in DC on Saturday too, and I also have been going since W Bush’s first inauguration, and several anti war protests after that. I always enjoy seeing people out on the street, but I also feel like these protests don’t really accomplish anything as such. They are just really easy to ignore, unfortunately. Participants feel good about themselves, and hopefully build relationships with new people. But did that crowd on Saturday threaten anyone? Did any elected officials (R or D) feel nervous about it? Were there any demands made that will be met? Again, I do appreciate so many people taking the time to protest, but I hope that plenty of them have a line at which they will take stronger action, and that it doesn’t come too late.
Very good, take large potato from bin.
He was waiting for this, now he can institute martial law! Dick tator for life.
Now all of these people converge on Mar-a-Lago and burn it to the ground. Preferably with Trump and Musk inside.
But you’ll burn all the children he has locked up inside. Best to shoot them in the head and steal everything.
This is refreshing to see after using reddit so long.
Calls to violence you mean?
You want a circlejerk with no barriers, whereas I wish we could discuss the reasons why hes putting in tariffs and cutting spending. Project 2025 versus ETS2 for instance, or the fact China is buying fewer and fewer treasuries every year; leading to higher borrowing costs on leveraged economies globally as money is sucked into the US, to fund the spending they also cant afford.
Even the global demographics look bleak given the amount of debt we’ve taken on, and people are still living in an MMT fantasyland as they roll over their mortgages from 2% to 6%.
Yeah those tariffs on Canada are certainly going to help that, and he certainly never said they’d be lifted if Canada became a, what was it? Ah yes, “beloved 51st state”
As for 6% mortgages, that’s not a particularly high number actually. If you went in a 2% expecting that to last forever, maybe.
I’m so happy to see this, finally some good news from the us.
I don’t think we’ll see the upheaval of a fascist regime by picketers carrying signs any time soon.
No but it’s the first step. As momentum builds more people are emboldened to protest, and the scope of the protests widen and get more effective.
This sort of statement is typically made by people who want to stall and prevent action. You see it all the time in various forums: “if this activity doesn’t 100% fix everything immediately then there is no point in doing anything”.
Unfortunately we don’t live in a black and white world where a switch can be flipped from awful to wonderful (as if it was even possible for everyone to agree on that). You get there in small incremental steps with messy interactions and disagreements along the way.
Protests like this can lead to ongoing effective resistance like strikes, work to rules and etc. But you don’t get someone to go from never having protested in their lives to manning a blockade of a govt building in one step.
Exactly. For the past month I’ve read many people here saying protest are useless because of various bullshit reasons. Protest are just a starting point. At protest, people talk, organize, that can lead to more massive protest, a new ideology, a revolution, or nothing. You never know.
I’m French. I have been to many protests. Some ended in massive movement for no reasons. Some died while the cause was very important. You never know.
you speak truth and they downvote it because they don’t want to face that fact that one day of standing around accomplishes nothing. they want to think this will be easy and won’t require real sacrifice. they’re lazy and naive.
please bookmark this post. show me what changes one month from now. one year from now. please prove me wrong.
they want to think this will be easy and won’t require real sacrifice. they’re lazy and naive.
That’s not at all what the responses (that have been up for hours before you posted this) have been saying.
because they don’t want to face that fact that one day of standing around accomplishes nothing.
Well it’s a good thing it hasn’t been just one day, and there are many more planned for the future. Come get involved!
If you can’t even bother to stand around to protest, how tf are you supposed to get people to do more extreme actions when the time such drastic actions are required comes around? Your apathetic response to protesting will only lead to a more fractured society that cannot attempt any meaningful resistance to the fascist in the white house.
yeah, i’m not into wasting my time. i’m here when the people decide to get serious though.
People who are serious doesn’t balk at the idea of protesting. If you can’t even bother sacrificing time to sit around to show people that its safe for them to come fight against fascism, there is no way you’d have the guts to sacrifice your life to actually fight against the fascist when the time comes. It’s probably better if you just sit at home and don’t bother talking about fighting or protesting. At this point, you’re more of an asset to the fascists than anything, even if you didnt know it yet.
how about i do WTF i want? you’re not the judge of what works and what doesn’t. please. bookmark this comment. come back to me in a year and prove how i was wrong. the proof is in the pudding, pacifist.
how about i do WTF i want? you’re not the judge of what works and what doesn’t.
Says the person judging what other people do, and what works and what doesn’t.
Can you even read? I said your type of action is what will result in protests being ineffective at uniting the people that will fight against fascism.
People failing to remove fascism a year from now will only prove me right if you still decide to continue what you’re doing. To prove your point, you would need to join up with the protest and stop trying to kill it in its infancy and still fail to remove fascism.
So go ahead and continue what you’re doing and you might prove me right.
if the people don’t have the spine for what it takes, then it’s hopeless.
have you ever considered that a lot of these people are going to feel defeated after they waste their time protesting and nothing gets accomplished? there’s no guarantee that getting a bunch of people together for feelgood BS leads to more effective resistance. this is the same as saying “just go to college and follow your dreams and everything will magically work out”. it’s a lie. people need to understand where western civilization is at.
Obeying in advance, yikes fucking pathetic.
There’s no actual disobedience in going to a protest. It’s completely permitted and allowed as long as the protesters don’t actually do anything. It’s a means of directing discontent into a dead end.
This is to show the people who are feeling alone with their despair, that they are in fact not alone.
And it is to recruit people for the upcoming general strike.
For a general strike to take effect, it needs about 10mil people, and it is estimated that there are about 5mil people demonstrating in America today.
Now you have the numbers go physically remove the shit head and all his lackies, cause he’s not going to go willingly.
“There be no shelter here, the frontline is everywhere.” - Rage Against the Machine
First there was the Arab Spring.
Then the Balkan Spring.
So this is… the American Spring? Sounds like a brand of bottled water.
Wonderful, dear US friends!
A powerful sign against all the hatred and corruption that Trump and his henchmen stand for.
I think large demonstrations like this are incredibly important, especially nowadays, because the manipulation in social media and the traditional media can so easily give the false impression that a majority would share the inhumane ideology of this regime.
For the tens of thousands on the streets, it is obvious how many decent people there actually are.
Trump and his opinion makers can do little about this - apart from their usual ridiculous conspiracy theories around Soros and other such Bogus. Because not even these unscrupulous fascists can (yet) dare to stop thousands and thousands of people from demonstrating, or even have them all arrested.
Good luck and all the best from Europe!
Thank you; finally someone from Europe that sees Americans are struggling to fight. Over there you’re unlikely to see the whole picture about what’s going on. I understand that Europeans are mad and I don’t blame them, but I wish more Europeans understood that division is exactly what the powers want and your media is likely being manipulated as well, albeit to perhaps a much lesser degree, in order to sow that division.
It is not tens of thousands.
D.C alone has an estimated 100.000 people marching.
Nationwide the number is believed to be 5 million, i read somewhere.
Yes, all the better
Great!.. now take this momentum and do a general strike! a week should do it
That’s not really how a general strike works. You can’t just post on the internet “do a general strike” and expect it to happen or be effective. Where are the strike funds to help feed people and pay their rent when they stop getting paychecks? Where are your strike captains to organize demonstration events? Where is your army of strike lawyers to defend people when they inevitably get arrested?
General strikes take a long time and a lot of resources to plan. Only then can one be effective.
it’s strike to prevent sliding into fascism, not a parade
And you’re never going to get people on board if the solution (general strike) doesn’t meet their material needs. If people have to starve and lose their homes while under threat of arrest or more violent action, you need a way to support them or they won’t stick with it. Revolutions are built on mutual aide and community organizing, not empty platitudes and gumption. Or, worse yet, shit posting and cynicism.
then fascism it is, sadly you are waaaay past signs and petitions
hopefully I’m wrong
What have you been doing?
Not buying American, cancelling trips to NY, being extra Canadian
I hope the best for you and all of us but I fear if your revolution awaits for someone to organise it so that it’s painless and requires no sacrifices, it’ll simply never happen
