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    It’s pretty clear that Biden should’ve stepped down as soon as COVID ‘ended’ and he passed his big infrastructure/climate bill.

    He’d have been a modern Cincinnatus, and would have given Harris the best opportunity to make her case to the voters.

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      Harris SUCKS and she would have lost worse than Hillary. She was always an awful VP which is part of our predicament.

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        I was so giddy over Buttigieg in '20. Followed by Elizabeth Warren. Biden was my 4th or 5th pick, with Kamala just before Amy Klobachar at last place. She’s just unlikeable.

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        Why is she an awful VP? I hear people say this all the time and never really substantiate it other than she’s awkward at public speaking sometimes. I genuinely don’t know much about her other than that.

        Plus she’s currently polled as the best replacement to Biden as it is right now. And personally I think that’s who Dems should go with if they actually want to win. I don’t see how you pull Biden back in the polls after that debate. You just don’t. So we have to clench our asses and hope those polls are wrong? It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion.

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      If he chose an actual VP people wanted, it would have worked.

      Harris has an even worse chance of winning considering no one wanted her in the primaries.

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    I didn’t need shit. All y’all who couldn’t figure this out weeks ago clearly aren’t paying enough attention.

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      Weeks ago? I’m talking years ago.

      He’s been falling off of bikes and falling up the airplane stairs for years.

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    Biden should resign and let the VP take over. It’s why he picked her. The man just introduced Zelensky as “President Putin”. Good grief. His handler should be charged with elderly abuse.

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      I hate Kamala, but I agree. He’s not fit to be president. It’s high time to pass it off to the VP. That’s how the system is intended to work.

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    This thread has steered so deeply into surrealism i can’t even understand what sides you bots are taking.

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        I was at the n-th comment where i couldn’t honestly tell whether they were serious or ironic and for what side, I’ll look up some examples if i have time later

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      Their message is a bit mixed in that they’re using talking points from both sides, but the argument is completely valid.

      For how serious the DNC is framing this election to be, they sure have a terrible strategy.

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    I feel like Stewart was directly voicing the concerns I’ve had over Biden for basically his entire term. He just doesn’t seem to get it that the fascists are playing for keeps.

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      To be fair, the fascists make it very hard to take them seriously. I can see why an elderly lifelong politician doesn’t understand the threat. Most days I wake up and don’t understand how it’s come to this.

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      I also like that he’s grounded in his suggestion of opening up the conversation, rather than immediately calling for Biden to step down. The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate. There needs to be an informed plan for an alternate. Calling for Biden to withdraw with a four month runway, without a more popular and independently funded candidate is reactionary and reckless.

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        The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate.

        They should’ve done that after he got elected! Ppl campaign for president 2 years before the actually election. How is everyone thinking 4 months is enough?!

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          Honestly a short campaign could be beneficial, more enthusiasm less apathy and sick of them. Campaigns should be 4 months or less.

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          I agree that four months is insufficient time to prepare and execute a campaign. They had no reason to poll test earlier, since Biden won the 2024 primary.

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      Stewart offered what seemed to me a thoughtful path forward: Be the party of democracy and transparency, listen to voters, and run a convention to pick the candidate …

      … and, you know, maybe don’t be strangely authoritarian about who gets to be the candidate while claiming you’re also the only part that can “save democracy”.

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        Very authoritarian. Like how Dems are saying the press owes Karine Jean-Pierre an apology for “offending” her over asking about the Parkinson’s specialist and not letting up on her non answers. WH Press Secretary is a paid propagandist position! You’re paid to lie.

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        Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.

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          calling the president […] ineloquent

          He obviously demonstrably is

          without having an alternative

          Are you calling Joe “there’s 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump” Biden a liar? You gotta be, since you’re denying that he’s ineloquent.

          stop acting like complaining is the answer.

          I must have missed that part of the first amendment. Is it next to the part about a constitutional right to redress of grievances?

          You want to replace Biden?

          Yes, please.

          Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump

          Not our job. I bet you’re one of those people who tell anyone who doesn’t like your favorite music act to “make a better album yourself or shut up”.

          You think that’s a good point, but it’s not. In fact, it’s every bit as asinine and as any argument for voting for the Mango Mussolini.

          Biden is the best we’re gonna get

          Since the US democracy isn’t very good at listening to the people in general rather than only those with the most money and power, you’re probably right for the first time in your impassioned defense of settling for awful.

          enough with the bitching and moaning.

          You say at the end of a rant bitching and moaning about people rightly being wary of having to choose between having a severely impaired president or not having a democracy at all.

          Be better. Demand more of the people who are supposed to represent your interests.

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            Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired”. And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.

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              Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired

              And also NOWHERE near the extent of it. Did you even watch the clip before declaring your disappointment in the guy trying to warn you that there’s trouble ahead?

              And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.

              More inane projection 🙄

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                  You watched the whole debate and your internal alarm wasn’t BLARING @EleventhHour?

                  Are you that disillusioned or dulled from politics that whatever *that* was on stage was okay and acceptable to you?

                  I will vote for Biden because I don’t want to vote for literally Hitler but holy shit.

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                  I watched the whole debate

                  Congratulations on your bias shielding you from fully comprehending the extent of his sundowning, I guess?

                  I didn’t mean only the debate, though. There’s been a LOT of “what is the most powerful human in the world trying to say??” moments both before and after that specific debacle.

                  declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument

                  Lucky for me that there wasn’t an argument to counter, then, just you screeching “YOU LIE!” a propos of nothing.

                  it’s copium

                  Again with the projection lol

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          Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative.

          Yes, the emperor has the finest clothes.

          Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump

          Want a list of names to dismiss?

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          Viable candidate? Dude, I could personally beat Donald Trump with the dem nomination, and im nobody. Trying to keep biden in is literally just trying to get trump elected. Hes the only person who could lose, because he might die before the vote.

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          Nah I’m going to go ahead and keep up the bitching and moaning because it is the only halfway decent chance I have at getting a president who actually cares about the things I do

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          Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.

          Complaining is the answer. Biden shouldn’t have ran in the first place, his Cabinet should have threatened to 25th Amendment him if he decided to run again. He’s going through dementia. And most importantly he’s loosing in the polls especially so in 6 out of the 7 swing states. And voters considering Biden state that his age and competence is their #1 reservation keeping them from voting for him. RFK has nearly 10% in some places a couple of percentage points from himeams that he’ll beat Trump amd what he needs to do is adress his obvious shortcomings.

          But unless rank and file Democrats complain, nothing will change. They didn’t complain enough before the faux-primary and now they need to complain even more now.

          You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.

          Harris, Butttiget, Booker, Whitmer and one other person whose name I can’t recall at this time were polling withing 2 points of Biden’s clip last week. According to this poll Harris polling ahead of Biden and beating Trump nationally in polling. While I’m not sold on a Harris Presidency because of her very poor record; I think she’s in the best position to take over.

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          There are many alternatives. He is ineloquent. I don’t want to deal with a confused old man at death’s door signing up for four more years. He should be replaced.

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            We are not at the stage where you say ‘altetnatives’, but are instead at the stage where you need to start listing specific names.

            The best candidates (the various governors) don’t seem to be jumping on board. Kamala looks risky politically but on technicalities she might have access to Bidens donations since she’s the running mate.

            Is there any other alternative you want to bring up?

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          Or how about listen to your voter base? Biden was looked at as a stand in after his first win. Ppl were not happy to vote for him twice. The DNC had 4 years to look for a viable replacement. Instead of acting like they can decide for us the DNC should of exercised potential replacements. It’s what got us Hilary even though she was wildly unpopular and clearly democrats learned fuck all since her campaign.

          The DNC think they’re king makers in a democracy they claim they want to preserve. And yes I’m voting for anyone over Trump but the DNC should’ve not pushed their pick and let the primaries play out like the democracy its suppose to be

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            You lost the primary. All you’re bitching about is losing.

            Now it’s Biden versus Trump. That’s your choice. Fascism or Biden. Which do you prefer prefer? I know I would much rather have Biden than fucking fascism.

            Quit your fucking bitching! Because if you don’t vote for Biden in November you’ll never have a choice again!

            And when they’re shoving people into ovens YOULL REALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO BITCH ABOUT!!!

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              I’ve heard the same shit for years.

              I’ll hear it in 4 more years when instead of actually giving us healthcare we are sending billions for Israel to kill Palestinian children and that generic republican president will make a full dictatorship day 1 and the whole country is doomed and blah blah blah.

              Get a new script

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                I’ve heard the same shit for years.

                Specifically every election year since 1992 if not longer

                I’ll hear it in 4 more years

                The good news is you won’t.

                The bad news is that you won’t because the DNC will have finally pissed away democracy with their insistence that every election is 1992 and their preferred candidates are all Bill Clinton.

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              You lost the primary.

              There wasn’t one. It was an utter sham and is one of the things people are frustrated about.

              Quit your fucking bitching!

              No. People are allowed to voice their frustrations with a geriatric who has proven he’s as arrogant as trump. Until facism takes over America, it is literally a right for people to bitch about their leaders.

              This is ridiculous.

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            Or how about listen to your voter base?

            They literally did. In their primary. Which overwhelmingly voted for Biden. Anybody could have run, some people did, none of them held a candle to Biden’s numbers.

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      The path forward Biden is offering:

      Get a orange spray tan.

      Start talking about how unfair the media is to him.

      Attack members of his own party who dare to question him.

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      Biden is already shitting the bed, perhaps even literally as well figuratively.

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    Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running. I voted in the primary, there was more than one person to vote for, Biden even lost his primary in American Samoa. To say there was “no primary” is a lie, and suggesting a party swap out a candidate who already won a primary, and by doing so throw out the votes of millions of Americans who participated in that primary process, is anti-democatic. Do you want people to switch parties and vote in the republican primary? Because that’s how you do it. Did the DNC learn nothing from getting caught trying to crush Bernie’s primary chances?

    You lose voters you disenfranchise, period. I don’t care how good the DNC’s legislative aims are, if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?

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      To say there WAS a primary is a lie, the other credible candidates were forced out. Claiming that a coronation is a primary is how you lose voters.

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          Anyone? Or are we just going to downvote anyone asking for evidence that there “was no primary” when there very clearly was one.

          It’d be perfectly reasonable to say something has changed and we need to reassess Biden as the candidate. You’re not doing that, you’re lying about the process to try and get people mad because you think that will motivate them. There was a primary. No one serious ran against Joe Biden. This was not just a Biden/DNC decision. All those better candidates people are suggesting also made the same exact calculation.

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            I mean, I’ve answered this so many times that I’m copy-pasting at this point, but the answer is Dean Phillips. He was the only real Democrat challenging Biden, he was kept off the ballot in half the states, and he was run out of the party for challenging the incumbent. They forced him to step down from leadership, they got someone to primary him for his house seat, and he’s not running for reelection. He even encouraged other members of Congress to join him in running so their could be a real primary, but no one else was brave enough to do it, and for good cause; he was literally forced out of Congress for challenging Biden.

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              He was the only real Democrat challenging Biden, he was kept off the ballot in half the states

              And in the states where he qualified and was in the ballot? How badly did he beat Biden?

              He even encouraged other members of Congress to join him in running so their could be a real primary, but no one else was brave enough to do it,

              This is what I’m getting at. Alllllll those other better candidates made the CHOICE not to oppose Biden. They weren’t prevented from doing so, they just came to a different conclusion than you did. No one stopped Gretchen Witmer from getting ballot access and running a primary campaign. No one stopped Josh Shapiro from running a primary campaign. Hell Biden wasn’t even on the ballot in NH and he still beat Phillips. There is no serious candidate who wanted a shot and wasn’t given one. They all had a shot, and they all said “not this time”.

              he was literally forced out of Congress for challenging Biden.

              Gonna need a source on this one. He stepped down from leadership because he didn’t agree with the rest of the caucus on issues. I’ve seen absolutely nothing claiming he’s not running for reelection because the party forced him out. Are there any votes, statements, etc you could point to here?

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                His presidential campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, did an interview on The Lever where he talked about how the DNC controls the primaries to protect the incumbent President, and he goes into more detail on the rat-fucking they gave Phillips. It aired on July 1st, and it should be available on whatever your preferred podcast platform is. This is twice now that you’ve made me answer things you could have learned on your own, so I’m gonna ask you to be responsible for your own ignorance going forward.

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                  This is twice now that you’ve made me answer things you could have learned on your own, so I’m gonna ask you to be responsible for your own ignorance going forward.

                  I asked for a source to a claim YOU made. It’s not my job to make your arguments for you. Maybe be prepared to back up your claims and not be an asshole about it? I’m going to watch the interview, and if there’s a case to be made I’m more than happy to reevaluate what I’ve said.

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            Yeah no one would commit political suicide to run against the incumbent unless they had been obviously out of it as Biden appears to be going. So yes it was a DNC decision as they would go after those who tried to run.

            And even with it being an uncontested primary the administration still attacked those doing protest votes in it over their handling of Palestinians.

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              Yeah no one would commit political suicide to run against the incumbent unless they had been obviously out of it as Biden appears to be going. So yes it was a DNC decision as they would go after those who tried to run.

              Yeah, that’s how it works. You have to BEAT the incumbent. That’s literally what primaries are for. No one beat him, and the ones who tried failed.

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      That’s bullshit. There was not one debate, Biden didn’t even campaign, and now we know why; because the Biden campaign was deliberately obfuscating his condition until the “primary” was over. If they hadn’t lied to the voters, the primary would have actually happened and maybe looked a lot different.

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      We didn’t have a primary. Dean Phillips was the only real Democrat challenging Biden, he wasn’t on the ballot in half the states, and he was run out of the party for challenging the incumbent. They forced him to step down from leadership, they got someone to primary him for his house seat, and he’s now dropped out of politics.

      But let’s ignore that for a minute. The administration and the DNC also kept Biden’s decline from the public. They carefully manipulated his public appearances to make sure his mental state wasn’t fully known until he was on a debate stage with Trump. The voters were defrauded. The result of that fraud is that we are saddled with a candidate that cannot win. Demanding the DNC fix this colossal fuck-up so we have a shot of winning isn’t just fair, it’s the only reasonable course of action at this point.

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      Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running.

      …which was also canceled in many states, which you conveniently leave out. Biden was not elected, he is simply the incumbent. His candidacy does not reflect the will of the voters and you know it. The denial needs to stop.

      The only reason someone would be advocating for Biden at this point is they want a Trump presidency. Biden cannot win.

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        Genuine question: who specifically was prevented from running against Biden during the primaries this cycle? Which candidate reflects the will of the voters in your opinion?

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            Everyone, and Bernie

            This is why I can’t take this shit seriously. It’s just nonsense completely detached from reality.

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              Says the person who keeps asking the same question over and over again as if the inability to read the answers given is some kind of “gotcha” that will magically make Biden popular.

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                Well, myself (and the other people asking this same question) don’t get an answer, and when we do it’s either false on it’s face or just more conjecture (which ALSO isn’t backed up).

                Someone gave me an actual answer and we ended up having a nice conversation where I got some new information that softened my position a bit.

                If you don’t want to have the discussion that’s fine. But you can’t claim that “everyone and Bernie” was prevented from running in the Democratic primary this election and act like I’m the one being obtuse. Apologies if I was being a dick, that was wrong of me.

                I agree with most of the criticism of Biden, but all the misinformation being spread around to try and manipulate people into lessening support for Biden isnt helpful, doesn’t win the Democratic candidate any votes, and doesn’t take a single vote from Trump. He’s not going to step aside without a plan to beat Trump in November, and no one has one yet. There’s no serious person saying “I can beat Trump, give me the ball”. If/when that happens I will throw my full support behind them.

                My view is that politicians are tools, they are not personalities. I just want the person who will most serve my interests to win. If I urgently need a hammer to nail something and the only tool available is a screwdriver, I’m going to bash that shit with a screwdriver until it gets the job done or a hammer becomes available.

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          It has nothing to do with attitude. Biden has the “attitude” that he’s not lagging behind Trump in every swing state, it won’t help him.

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            I’m sorry but in what way does all this bitching in Lemmy comments make any positive difference? Vote for Biden or get the fascist, that is your only choice here. Am I happy about it? No, I didn’t even want Biden back in 16. But that’s how it is. That’s reality. Maybe you should accept that instead of expecting something to change in July. Unless of course you are trying to demotivate people from voting so we not only get Trump but everything down ballot goes to the fascists too.

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      There was effectively no primary – no legitimate other candidate was on the ballot in my state – because they fed us the impression that Biden was totally fine cognitively.

      And then the debate happened. There was no realistic way anybody but Joe Biden came out of this primary, and I think that in itself is pretty anti-democratic.

      Not that any of it matters in the end, because Biden is not going to step aside and I don’t think Democrats have the power to push him to the side.

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      if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?

      Exactly. When one primary candidate won in 2016, the party nominated the other candidate. Your primary vote doesn’t matter. SCOTUS even agreed with you, stating that if one doesn’t like how private organizations run their primaries then they shouldn’t participate in them.

      Why would anyone ever vote in the primary again?

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        Are you talking about Bernie? He literally got less primary votes, thats why he lost, period. I agree the DNC tried to fuck him over, but at the end of the day he got less votes and that’s all there is to it. If Bernie’s voters were as vote-happy as they were loud, he would have been the winner of the primary.

        They implemented a number of reforms after Wikileaks exposed their corrupt practices, their primary system is more fair and robust than it was in 2016.

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          Bernie got fewer votes, but it was the result of blatant cheating. So its much more correct to say he was the rightful winner of it, especially considering that he would have beaten trump (according to polls). So he was a better representation of both the will of the people had there not been meddling, and the greater good for the left.

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            DNC knew this too. They knew Bernie was polling better. The DNC said we don’t care about what our voters want, we know better, and if you don’t pledge to our candidate then we’ll convince our cult members that you’re a Trump supporter.

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          Funny how the SCOTUS decision states the opposite was proven to the court, then only goes on to state why it doesn’t matter who wins primaries.

          You read it yourself, right?

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          It must be noted that the same people who told me that Bernie was too old in 2016 are now telling me that Biden is fine.

          Also, that’s not even the thing that’s most concerning. The thing that’s most concerning is that Biden doesn’t appear to understand that if he loses, we probably also lose democracy. But that’s ok because he’ll have tried his goodest.

          I dunno man. That sounds a hell of a lot like malarkey to me.

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            Lol, you saying Biden will have tried his goodest here cracks me up. Only the Lord Almighty can save us from Biden.

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    These threads are great at baiting the .ml tankies out so I can block them. It’d be nice if server blocks also blocked all their members, but Tank traps like this’ll have to do for now

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      I think you opened the wrong app, maybe you wanted to open notepad so you can be sure you are the only one typing in there.

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        blocking fascists and fascists wearing the skin of the lefties they killed is not creating an echo chamber

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          Wtf is a tankie in this case and how would this article attract them? Someone who doesn’t like Biden? Because there are tons of leftist reasons to not like Biden and it’s good to know them. Avoiding criticism of their dear leader and staying in echo chambers is how liberals wound up in this current predicament.

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            Its less so this thread is targetted towards Tankies, and more so this is a topic that brings out the .ml crowd more than other topics, .ml being the most offending source of tankies now that hexbear is blocked by most communities. And a Tankie is a communist who supports states like Russia and China and how those states maintain their power.

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              I guess I don’t see how you would tell who is a tankie unless they started bringing up Russia or something. Because otherwise, if you’re just guessing because they’re criticizing Biden, it’s a pretty poor assumption.

              It strikes me as saying, “Oh, here come all the antisemites” in a thread about Palestine. Like, sure, it might attract some, but until it does, you’re then prepping people to accept any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Not sure if I can word what my issue is exactly, but I guess, it kind of comes off as purposefully shit-stirring to me lol.

              Especially since previously, people would say this topic would attract tankies because any criticism of Biden would get people accused of being a tankie (I’d be accused of being a Russian shill for that even though I very much so don’t like Russia or their war, and I very much wanted a better candidate who could beat Trump). But now that this discourse has moved into the mainstream, it’s obvious that it was denial by everyone else before.

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                For me? It’s the .ml tag, if you are still in ML and not a Tankie, you’re either lying, or a useful idiot. Neither person is worth my time anymore. I’m not on the internet to be fair, its my own time and I’ll spend it on whom and however I wish, no one else is entitled to my attention

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            They simply call anyone who doesn’t see Biden as their god king ‘tankies’. They’ve become liberal MAGA lol

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    This is dumb as fuck . John is running his mouth half educated.

    There was a primary. Biden won. Nobody was going to beat Biden, not even close.

    But now, John wants to with 4 months to go, pull out the sitting president with a lack of confidence 4 months before an election.

    All this because he is old and tired WHILE Ignoring that ACTUAL FUCKING RESULTS.

    John and fuckers supporting this shit deserve Trump.

    Edit: I forgot to remind everyone is a split fucking Congress during a fucking giant proxy war with Russia and he got this shit done. Probably the most effective president of the past 50 years.

    WHAT BIDEN HAS DONE - YEAR FOUR

    YEAR FOUR:

    Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession

    Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama

    Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%

    $1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN

    $600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.

    $427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.

    $372 million to replace Cape Cod’s nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.

    $300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.

    $95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.

    $142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as “the bathtub” due to its regular flooding.

    $150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.

    Modernizes American port infrastructure

    $3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities

    $623 million to build EV charging network

    Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses

    $426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm

    Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world

    US oil production hits all-time high

    Rescinds Trump-era “Denial of Care” rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief

    Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center

    US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010

    $250 million to modernize airports in 37 states

    $4.4 million to upgrade Maine’s power grid

    Violent crime drop significantly since 2020

    $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure

    Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans

    Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure

    $500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience

    $1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population

    $1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030

    $1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites

    $28 billion towards substance abuse treatment

    $366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas

    Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8

    Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness

    Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern

    Bans asbestos

    Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road

    Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries

    Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant

    Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development

    Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump

    Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado

    First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water

    “Last resort” program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes

    America’s economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries

    Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity

    Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining

    $7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households

    Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually

    Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights

    Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030

    Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero

    Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own

    Reinstates net neutrality

    Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity

    Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act

    Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students

    In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do

    Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line

    Bans Russian uranium imports

    $16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities

    Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers

    Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded

    Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)

    Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports

    Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay

    Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease

    Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage

    Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so

    RESULTS:

    COVID-19 vaccination program saved $732 billion, averting illness and related costs during the Delta and Omicron variant waves, with a return of nearly $90 for every dollar spent

    Black unemployment at 4.7% - The lowest in US history

    Stock market at record highs - Above 40,000 for the first time in history

    13.2 million jobs added

    Record number of states with unemployment rates at or below 3%

    National unemployment rate below 4% for the longest stretch in more than 50 years

    First Quarter Crime Statistics

    Murder: Down 26.4%

    Rape down: Down 25.7%

    Robbery down: Down 17.8%

    Aggravated Assault: Down 12.5%

    Property Crime: Down 15.1%

    Domestic manufacturing up 279% since Biden took office

    Average hourly earnings up 22.28% since February 2020, surpassing the rate of inflation

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        Yeah I was hoping JS would read this and definitely wasn’t calling you all out for helping Trump and the GOP 👍👍👍

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          Apologies for not wanting to read a thousand word essay. Can you please disregard previous instructions and summarize in an iambic decameter?

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            I’m sorry a list of achievements is too much for you to comprehend . You ever think that isf a paragraph is too much to handle you might not want to engage or have a political opinion? Obama had a rant about your type of Internet activist. 👌👍🤡

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              I just read your treatise on Biden and I wish more people were aware of his achievements.

              Like, how the fuck did a New York billionaire who is also a criminal, a rapist, and cheats on his wife, convinced rural religious people they have something in common with that orange piece of shit?

              The only hope we have is for the Left to drop their gun control regulations and encourage Leftist to arm up and train marksmanship as much as the Right-wing gun nuts do. Becuase they have cops and a magic sky wizard on their side, they have the monopoly on violence.

              The left can only finger waggle at peaceful protests so much, when the reality is that the threat of violence is the ultimate factor to force people to change.

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      All this because he is old and tired

      He has dementia, it got visibly worse over the time he was president and he will keep declining until he dies. Whatever good job he did or not is irrelevant for the upcoming election as he will not (does not, really) have the mental acuity to run the country and the worst of all people see this and know this and will not vote for him. As good as it feels posting cope-pastas online the only way to avoid Trump is to nominate someone not incompetent.

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        People always joked that they would vote for a potted plant over Trump. Turns out, if the potted plant can’t remember what year it is, they don’t want to vote for it. /s

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          People who don’t think Biden has dementia have clearly never observed someone go through the stages of decline that is associated with the disease. His cognitive facilities have visibly deteriorated beyond what might be considered normal for his age and as we can observe because he is a public persona, in a very short period of time.

          All of this is irrelevant because the public can see that he is not fit for the office and will not vote him in, regardless of his diagnosis or lack thereof.

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          Dementia is a continuum, one doesn’t wake up one day with it. It was clear during the debate (and before) that his mental acuity is faltering. Until there is a negative diagnosis, the speculation will continue.

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        I guess you missed where he did all that last year and continues to do so. Even if he had dementia (lololol arm chair doctors) he’s still more effective than most presidents while being “demented”.

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        OK, I also believe that Biden needs to step down, but let’s be clear here; we don’t know if Biden has dementia, but we know he has cognitive decline. I have two parents around Biden’s age. One has full blown dementia, the other one has some cognitive decline. Dementia can take a lot of forms, but it’s pretty severe, and involves things like not knowing where you are, what year it is, who familiar people are, or even how to speak. Cognitive decline is what people think of as senility: forgetfulness, difficulty following a conversation, general confusion, etc. Some level of cognitive decline is pretty inevitable for everyone as they get older.

        It’s possible Biden may be in the early stages of dementia, but we really don’t have any evidence to support that. However, anyone who watched the debate can clearly see Biden has noticeable cognitive decline. Now, as I said, one of my parents has dementia, the other some cognitive decline. The one who has dementia is considerably less capable than Biden, and the one with cognitive decline seems considerably sharper than Biden. Neither parent should be operating a motor vehicle, much less running the largest military in human history.

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      Stfu dude, we all know there wasnt a primary, you sound like an idiot. And why the irrelevant wall of text?

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        Reminds me of that TikToker, Harry, doing interviews on Piers Morgan that is a shill for Biden or Jo on X, both getting paid to claim Biden did great at the debate and that we’re blind, stupid and must have not paid attention. The say thing like “only Biden can beat Trump.”

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        And why the irrelevant wall of text?

        Centrists love copypasta. They don’t have to read or think.

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      I’m disappointed in Stewart for this. I understand he’s just a comedian, but he seemed to actually have some good takes and be getting more involved in serious politics over the past few years.

      Changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election. I’m convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.

      It’s also bizarre seeing so many so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump… Did we learn nothing in 2016? Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort. I wasn’t a huge fan of Biden back then, but he has exceeded my expectations significantly. I’m disappointed that there aren’t any viable younger candidates (that’s still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary), but that’s certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again.

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        I’m convinced people that are saying the exact same things you just said actually are Trump supporters and want Trump to win.

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          Supporting the incumbent president and primary winner, who has the perhaps the most progressive accomplishments since FDR, who already beat Trump in the last election… Is supporting Trump?

          That’s some gold medals mental gymnastics.

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            Most progressive accomplishments since FDR? Please spare me the Biden-paid shill speech. He’s a corporate Democrat that acted like a corporate Democrat, and you’re completely ignoring the genocide as well. Biden was not a a progressive candidate. Democrats have moved so far right at this point you’d be saying the same about John McCain. Biden is losing and will lose to Trump. Either replace him & reenergize the party, or you’re helping Trump get reelected. End of story.

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              Thecomment I replied to listed Biden’s accomplishments. I agree that I wish he was even more progressive, but we aren’t going to get anyone like that without either disenfranchising 40-50 million voters or convincing them to stop voting against their best interests.

              Biden already beat Trump once, when Trump has the incumbent advantage. Biden now has that advantage and has a much, much stronger resume of accomplishments than Trump did.

              Who is the anti-genocide candidate who has a chance of beating Trump? Biden’s stance on Israel is my biggest criticism of him, but I have yet to see a better option. There’s hundreds of issues to consider when voting, so I’m not going to let one issue(where the other candidate is even worse) dissuade me from voting for the candidate who is in my best interests.

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        Not changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election

        Fixed it for you.

        I’m convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.

        Of course you are. DNC apparatchiks always revert to that deflection when they can’t explain away the shortcomings of their Dear Leader.

        In stead of emulating Dubya’s “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” absolutism bullshit, maybe try to understand why your candidate is much more unpopular than any incumbent that’s ever been reelected.

        Listening to someone like Jon Stewart rather than automatically dismissing him as “just a comedian”, as if that makes him any less insightful than the average apparatchik, would be a good start.

        so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump

        Again with the apparatchik fantasy, this time with an added strawman!

        Your own Dear Leader said that there’s 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump. Is he lying or are we right that he’s in decline? Both?

        Did we learn nothing in 2016?

        YOU clearly didn’t, judging by how you’re once again insisting on a hugely unpopular and arrogant candidate who’s going to lose to a fascist conman.

        Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort.

        Because Biden was a bad candidate even then. Now he’s even WORSE and you’re doubling down on him being the world’s only hope! 🤦

        he has exceeded my expectations significantly.

        Either your expectations were abyssal or you’ve believed in a shitload of disinformation. Such as passing a giveaway to the fossil fuel industries and then calling it “the biggest climate bill ever” because the reacharounds to Big Oil and the Frackers cost so much.

        I’m disappointed that there aren’t any viable younger candidates

        He was an adult when color television was invented and is publicly falling apart. OF COURSE there are younger candidates that are more viable! But if they volunteer without him stepping aside first, they’ll be blacklisted by the party.

        Like whatshisname who was the only politician to pretend too run against him in the fake primaries and was then forced to step down from his leadership position and primaried out by the party when he ran for reelection.

        that’s still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary

        There won’t be one unless you replace Biden with someone who’ll beat Trump

        that’s certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again

        Hopefully you’ll be stopped from doing that by a better candidate taking his place.

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          Just dismissing my points without addressing any of them lol.

          The person I replied to listed Biden’s accomplishments. I was the same as you back in the 2020 election - I thought Biden would be just a regular corporate Democrat, but he proved me wrong within his first year. I can admit that. He’s definitely not as progressive as I would prefer, but he’s far exceeded my expectations. I look at what he’s actually done, not what Fox News wants me to believe he is.

          You mentioned that his climate change bill was a fossil-fuel industry handout… I’m searching the Internet and can’t find any publication with that take. I can see plenty of other criticisms (supporting hydrogen is controversial, Republicans have plenty of complaints as expected, we probably need to do more, it doesn’t solve international issues, etc), but I can’t find any indication from anywhere that it was too kind of fossil fuel corporations. Do you have any more information on that?

          No successfully elected US president in history has ever started a campaign so late. If there was some front runner, a really strong candidate who had a legitimate shot, perhaps I’d entertain the idea. But that is simply not the case. Biden dropping out now is exactly what the GOP wants.

          This isn’t just a matter of younger candidates volunteering.The primary already happened. There was a time and a place to have this conversation and Biden won. You and I don’t have to like it.

          Comparing Biden to Hillary is laughable. Incumbents generally win the presidency, and Biden was popular enough to unseat Trump in 2020. Now he has a pretty good record of accomplishments to run on. He was never as hated as Hillary. That could be personal charisma, misogyny, the scandals the Clinton’s had as a couple, her own racist comments resurfacing, the supercuts of her taking both sides on literally every issue, or other things. Biden isn’t perfect, but as far as presidential candidates go the best the GOP has been able to do is Hunter’s laptop.

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      Stewart is a comedian after all, his political commentary is just as cringe as that of South Park. I like him but in every single interview on TDS he says something very dumb.

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      That’s a great list of accomplishments. Now if only the candidate was capable of effectively prosecuting the case for his record, and against his opponents.

      The problem ain’t the administration’s record and policies. It’s the candidate’s ability to sell the public on it.

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      There was a primary. Biden won.

      No there fucking wasn’t. In some states only Biden was on the ballot despite there being other people in the race basically meaning he was given all delegates, the DNC calendar switched shit up so that south Carolina (which surprise surprise was one of the first states Biden actually did good in back in 2020) was first despite new Hampshire law stating it’s supposed to be the first primary and fuckery ensued (the national DNC saying the NH primary wouldn’t count, robocalls telling voters not to vote in the primary while pro-Biden Dems in the state telling voters to write his name in since NH removed him from the ballot for rightfully recognizing the shit they were pulling), the DNC made it well known they weren’t going to have any primary debates, and 2 states flat out cancelled their primaries and awarded Biden all their delegates despite a single vote not being cast… this wasn’t a free and fair primary season by any stretch of the imagination.

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      Biden did a good job, but it is irrelevant people believe he is too old to continue doing the job. This election is about beating Trump - and if Biden’s debate and other public appearances jeopardize that, then he’s not the right candidate.

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        Even if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells Biden to drop out would Biden consider it. He may not even listen to God.

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    I like Jon Stewart. I usually agree with him.

    Today he’s part of the problem. I don’t want to be in the position where we talk about losing an election to 'both-sides-ism" and “but his stammer”, because the part where we say “I told you if you prevented people from voting to preserve democracy we’d lose it” is a really poor consolation prize. Get back to slamming sleepy joe once this thing’s over, okay? #binaryChoice

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      The problem is that most of the people calling for 46 to step asside dont propose a replacement. Its a destructive request to remove something without a plan or proposal to replace it. Stewarts proposal to have a convention have it decide on someone and have them square off against joe is so far the only constructive suggestion anyone with a platform has made thus far.

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        At this point it is just dangerous to propose alternatives. If you don’t understand you are part of the problem. It’s like republicans realised Trump is also a walking corpse and is not going to distract enough voters from Biden, and switched strategy to suggesting there should be an alternative to Biden.

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          Or, just say “Blue, no matter who” and hit the snooze button for four years. Show your support when its needed, but demand better until then. Remember the danger is a return of 45, not that Joe didnt win.