This is exceptionally cruel, and condemns kids (many of whom are US citizens) to a lifetime of poverty.
Republicans are like living jungian shadows, its incredible
You know what? The republicans are right; immigrants should leave. How about we start with white republican immigrants (or descendants thereof) of European ancestry, then we’ll reevaluate.
‘richest country in the world’; cant afford to help humans at their doorstep
uh huh.
these conservatives are either malicious, ignorant or both. its weird talking to them. so many are so casual about the cruelty they support
Should they allow unmitigated and unlimited immigration then? What about all of the legal immigrants that came into the country? Do they now have to take a back seat to the illegal immigrants too?
Yes, yes they should. Immigration is a boogeyman used to blame other people for issues that aren’t their fault.
So you think that people should freely enter other countries and live there, with or without paying taxes?
When did I say anything about taxes? Not even going to comment on it bcz a number of other people have already made you look dumb.
You and others here said you want to promote illegal immigration, so ya, you’re looking super smart.
It’s the boogeyman. It’s like seeing the temperature rise and blaming the sun or w/e. Putting the blame on the wrong thing. Like sure there should be immigration restrictions of some kind but putting the blame on immigrants is stupid and the people who eat it up the morons.
The businesses are usually right leaning and support this view, yet the have no problem hiring illegal immigrants. They love to hire people at lowest wage.
Here is an image that depicts it.
Deportations is also the wrong solution. People like it, but that’s stupid. People will just come back to the same employer or find someone else. It’s a side effect of capitalism.
You want to fix it, tax the business that hire illegal immigrants. Hell pay these illegal immigrants for ranting out their employeer. I guarantee you will have less illegal immigrants.
Another comment that has literally nothing to do with what I said. Of course corporations want illegal immigrants. It’s much easier for them to exploit them. I said we need a much better legal immigration system and illegal immigrants should be removed from the country
Nobody said anything about taxes.
We should make it easier for immigrants to pay tax regardless of status, otherwise we lose out on the tax revenue and create black markets and crime.
Do you think illegal immigrants pay taxes?
Yeah, sometimes they go to great lengths to forge documents and pay taxes under somebody else’s name.
So now you’re supporting criminals
I just cant help but laugh at your questions, does your country have vat or not? Do people not pay vat in products and services? for having a car? for having a house? from being paid a salary? If your argument is that as they are illegal they have are being paid in b im sure most of them will be happy to be legalized and pay all the taxes ;)
NO, my argument doesn’t only have to do with taxes. But I’m glad you had a laugh.
Yes, yes they do.
And that’s enough for you? Corporations abuse illegal immigrants, it stresses the housing supply as well as other government funded services, but because, according to you they pay taxes, so that’s okay?
First, what’s the economic cost here? Immigration is not a net negative overall. Why spend trillions of dollars burning money to police one of the worlds largest borders other than to blow all of society’s resources on an impossibly stupid and unproductive task?
The irrational desire to punish children for misdemeanor crimes of parents should be seen as what it is: a mental disorder.
Just like everyone else here, you’re completely missing the point. No, it is not fair to punish the children. But it’s not the responsibility of the country to allow illegal immigration to take precedence over laws
It seems clear to me that it’s both and the cruelty is the point. Remember this lady?
“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
Well no country could afford to take in everyone north of the darian gap. Its just too many people.
There’s days to alleviate the pressures that are pushing these people North. Like but funding right wing death squads or not putting sanctions on countries that elect the ‘wrong leader’.
We are the richest country in the history of the world and we have loads of empty space. We could double our population and still be fine.
Children aren’t people to conservatives, just levers to manipulate their parents.
No, no. To conservatives children are also a labor force.
Children should never be punished. The road to documented status should be easier, regardless of citizenship options, and not lead to deportation.
Galaxy brain psychopaths: “But what if we torture their loved ones instead?”
Sometimes I look at the US and think how crazy conservative some of this stuff is. But then, this is just Swedish reality these days.
requiring public schools to collect data on immigration status when students enroll
The current Swedish government, consisting of liberals, conservatives, and the far right, want this to be reality. Well, even worse stuff really. They want it to be illegal for an employee in schools, libraries, and hospitals not to report a child and their family if they suspect they may have some problem with immigration. It is so disgusting.
I’m not too surprised by this; the politics of immigration are different in the US, where almost the entire population is immigrants and the descendants of immigrants, and Europe, which didn’t have any real history of immigration until quite recently.
There are some very real benefits to allowing significant levels of immigration:
In any republican solution to a problem…
Cruelty IS THE POINT. if a solution does not contain some suffering for someone… Then it’s not a good solution for a republican. For them no good can come WITHOUT SUFFERING.
It’s a very Catholic belief. I’m being serious!
The terrible secret is that immigrarion is the secret sauce behind “American Exceptionalism”
High recent immigrant populations essentially select for people willing to put in the extra effort to migrate, which is a close proxy for to things like “entrepeneurship” and “seeking out better education/opportunities for their children.”
Strong incentive to leave the country for recent immigrants, and if they stay and eventually legalize their status, they will be uneducated. So it’s a win win for conservatives.
This is explicitly about barring kids, who are already US citizens, from being able to attend school because their parents are undocumented.
Because their parents came in illegally. Why should the US or any country foot the bill in such cases? While I agree that the child is the victim here, the wrong doers are the parents and not the country.
Because the alternative is to create a permanent underclass of people whose lack of access to basic education keeps them from ever improving their own lot or assimilating. That’s not a society I want.
Or, they reform immigration making the legal path more prominent and promote a sustainable immigration model that helps both the US and immigrants.
The Republican party has no plans to do that though; they want to end immigration by people with skin darker than theirs.
There is no proof behind your statement, and it’s pretty racist.
Denial is absolutely a consistent way to view things, yes.
It’s not racist to point out other people being prejudiced.
It’s not even hard to find examples of the “no proof” https://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/14/senator-john-kennedy-mexico-drug-cartels
It’s pretty obvious who they spend time demonizing.
As myopic and divorced from reality as it is, I appreciate the brazen simplicity of your worldview. Snuggled up in your security blanket of ignorance, inoculated from the pain of confronting cognitive dissonance, or growth.
The Republican party is pretty racist, yeah.
There’s a little bit of history though: the backlash to a similar measure in California resulted in the Republican party becoming a permanent minority in the state legislature.
