Donald Trump is proving he’s racist and stupid with his latest post.

In a Truth Social post Thursday morning, Donald Trump appeared to suggest, again, that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris isn’t really Black, ramping up his identity-based attacks to the horror of those in his party who consider racism a losing electoral strategy.

Earlier in the week, many GOP strategists, including in the Trump camp, worried that attacks on Harris’s race and gender—which seemed all but inevitable considering Trump’s history of racism and misogyny—would pose a serious liability for the campaign. “We hope he doesn’t act like a crazy racist and sexist person, but we can’t control him,” a source close to the campaign told The Washington Post.

These hopes were quickly dashed in the course of Trump’s interview with the National Association of Black Journalists Wednesday afternoon, in which the candidate claimed that, for years, Vice President Kamala Harris “was Indian all the way, and then suddenly she made a turn and she became a Black person.”

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    10 months ago

    Worse? There are actually lots of Africans in India and they’ve been there for thousands of years. Some big migration once upon a time and you have communities of blacks now.

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      Also the first humans out of Africa settled there. They have groups on the coast which have genetics extremely similar to humans that lived in Africa and that time period.

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      Not to mention alot of Indians in Africa, at least in Kenya. There’s plenty of Indian-Africans and probably plenty of African-Indians.

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    “we’re hoping he doesn’t act like a crazy racist and sexist person, we can’t control him”

    • says person working for uncontrollable crazy racist and sexist person.
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          This is really reductive.

          I think coverage of him before 2015 is much more enlightening. One I always point to is the Market Foolery podcasts on Trump, where (TL;DR) he tries to sell private real estate to his public company at highly inflated prices, and hyping the market to buy into this technically-not-illegal scheme.

          Thing is, he’s good at that kind of scheme. It worked! It wasn’t illegal, just basically selling a turd. The Motley Fool saw through it and made the only short of their career, but still, people drastically underestimate Trump’s ability to “sell” ideas that benefit him, to their detrement.

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            Another commenter pointed out that he’s so fucking stupid he stared directly at the sun when an eclipse happened. Yeah he’s not very smart.

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            The guy is one of the dumbest people alive. He isn’t good at anything but fooling dumb people. He is the king of the dumb people and there are more than we thought.

            It’s not reductive. It’s factual. Quit polishing a turd. He’s a moron. He can’t even fuck a porn star and pay her without being caught. He’s so dumb he can’t hide investment lies without being caught. He can’t plan to overthrow the government without documentation.

            I know 5 year olds with more wit and social navigation.

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              I’d be interested to see your take on his prowess as a trickster as mentioned in the parent comment.


              We’d be really mad at someone who designed a 3D printed nuclear bomb and used it on our families. They might be socially inept and bad at geography and have no grasp of international affairs, so kinda dumb in some ways. They’d definitely be very evil. But when it came to nuke engineering, they’re evil & not dumb.

              I don’t worry I’m glorifying the impeached ex-president when I say “he’s good at fraud.” He has said and done many evil things, including some cunning ones. He’s dumb in some areas. Am I really polishing a turd right now by acknowledging a horrible horrible person isn’t entirely an idiot in every facet of his life, rather only most of them?


              Maybe 45’s narcissism is indeed the bigger headline. Narcissistic, evil, morally an idiot, cunning at (smart at executing) certain scams… if we just say “nope bad at everything, 100% dumb” we’re underplaying how dangerous he can be, no?

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                I’d be interested to see your take on his prowess as a trickster as mentioned in the parent comment.

                In my opinion, it’s because our systems are woefully inadequate to address even the dumbest of huckster schemes. He’s not some brilliant dude for pulling it off. He just has no morals, no ethics, and no shame. And he’s spent a lifetime instinctively removing anyone who does from his presence.

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              “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu

              Your not acknowledging his strengths, which have absolutely gotten him this far. That’s a deadly mistake, one the Democrat part has already made far too much.

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                He’s not my adversary. He’s an asshole I would rather not exist and is the epitome of stupidity. He doesn’t have strengths. He bought fame and sucks at life. I don’t need to acknowledge him as anything other than the scum that represents more scum. And you sound like you support him more than you dislike him.

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                  I don’t support Trump. I don’t think there’s anything that could happen that would make me vote Trump instead of literally any Democratic candidate. Even that aside, I really hate narcissists.

                  But you’re living in a bubble if you don’t want to acknowledge how he got this far, and you lash out any one that tries to break it. Way too much of the Democrat party does. It’s how they lost, and could lose again.

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              I don’t think so. It’s classic Trump and fits his long pattern of behavior, of not quite lying in the technical sense while selling some kind of snake oil.

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      Whatever the answer to that question is, the real answer is “dumber than that.”

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      He’s starting a rhetoric. He gaslights and soon there’ll be a bunch of Americans caught up in her origins and misleading representation of race. And you’ll wonder, “How the fuck did that actually stick?”

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        Yep, it’s just the new talking point from their supreme leader. It was “Sleepy Biden” before, now it’s “opportunistic race swapping Harris” (he is better with stupid names so he might come up with something more catchy, but that is the general direction).

        They will gobble it up like all the shit they parrot all the time.

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          I had a realisation. Might be true; probably isn’t. But I have the feeling Trump read The Art of War.

          Many of his actions seem to come straight from that book, but from a person that didn’t comprehend it appropriately.

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        Will there? Maybe the racist ones who would never be voting for her anyway. Good, let them waste their time with it.

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      He’s “look directly at the sun during an eclipse without eye protection” dumb. Plus he’s old, sleepy, and a felon.

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      Not dumb, in the sense that he knows 70% of his base doesn’t give two shits about anything, and 10% want to see vulgar stuff because it’s entertaining.

      This is the guy who has mocked developmentally disabled people on national TV more than once, prior to winning the 2016 election, and I’m basing his reasoning after that. His fanbase is beholden to his callous asshattery

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        No, he’s legitimately dumb. He knows how to play a crowd, and covers it up a bit by rambling unlike Biden, but he’s been observably senile since like 2018, look at how disconnected his speech gets when he goes off script and starts a thought off with something he half-remembered from the news, something grandma would send you on FB, and ends it with something that hasn’t been accurate since the 80s.

        If you watch his CPAC speeches and stuff, it’s almost like there’s a conspiracy of silence around showing how bad it is. You just get wacky stories that aren’t too believable from dem-alligned media, and “everything’s fine, the 79 year old is the most stable genius ever” from conservative media.

        The recent interview with the black journalists association missed the perfect opportunity to ask him to draw a clock.

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          He’s dumb, but about as dumb as a rat that figured out how to reach the cheese in the maze. He’s kind of bumbling around and took an unintentionally Socratic approach towards reaching what he wanted. There’s some rationality to all of it

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          He knows how to play a crowd

          If they already like him, sure. He lost the ability to be entertaining to anyone else a long time ago.

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      His VP pick has children who are both white and Indian, but he still can’t comprehend Harris can be black and Indian.

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      More predictable than dumb, in that in any given situation the man will pick the absolutely worst choice available. Every single time. Even when that choice hurts him.

      When his options are (a) pick the right choice, (b) pick a bad choice, ( c) do nothing, or (d) pick something you didn’t even fathom because the idea was just so bad that even the biggest moron would dismiss it out of hand, he will go with D. Every single time. Even if it hurts himself. Thankfully, the man can’t get out of his own way 95% of the time, and I firmly believe that making even something resembling a rational choice even on the most basic of options would cause him physical pain.

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      If you know you might lose a fair fight, but you also know it doesn’t matter if you can leverage mob violence, you stoke the flames.

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        He has to be careful with that or his supporters might not be energized to vote.

        Oh how the turntables

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    I was hoping for a throwback to “Obama isn’t black” where the image was took a colourpicker to say Trump’s darker

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    It doesnt matter. Every Trumpet in my office is eating this up. I pulled up a picture of her Jamaican dad. Their answer was “Jamaicans aren’t black.” I really dont know how to respond to that.

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      Which is a complete waste of time on Trump’s part. She’s visibly not white AND a woman, so them not voting for her is built-in. It only has the potential to lose him some edge case voters, not gain any.

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      The die-hard Trumpets are a lost cause. But stuff like this should hopefully start to peel away the other people that he actually needs in order to win.

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        Yeah, I don’t really see it helping, the people who belive him aren’t less likely to vote for someone that isn’t black. There’s no trumpers saying ‘oh I really.wanted a black woman as president, guess I’ll have to vote the racist guy instead’

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      There are cultural differences between Afro-Caribbean people and “black” (ADOS) Americans. The trump fans might be trying to use that to drive a wedge in the Democratic Party.

      But that’s like the difference between Scottish and Irish people. They are basically the same in English history, lesser people to be conquered. Meaningless when it comes to racism.

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        Yeah I was worried I’d sound insensitive by posting that. But honestly, to this specific group, I want to just say O now skin color doesn’t matter.

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      Other notable Jamaicans: Bob Marley, Usain Bolt, Grace Jones. I suppose your coworkers would say they’re not black either?

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      Go to google maps, get them to select a random street view in Jamaica. Ask them to describe the people they’re seeing.

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    This is the dumbest shit. Like, I have pictures of me with my Italian family, eating big pasta meals together and I have pictures with my Scottish family in the family tartan. Is this kind of thing so hard to understand?

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    I think he desperately doesn’t want her to get the black vote, so he’s trying to say to everyone that she’s not black. It’s not going to work and it just makes him look like an idiot and bigot. *Also half black Obama was black enough [pops popcorn].

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      Let’s say for a second hypothetically that Kamala is just Indian but still calls herself black. Do we all for a second think that the black community would just be fine with some old rich white dude policing their identity anyways?

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        Well, if we are playing this straight, he didnt even answer the question he was given. They were asking him about why black people should vote for him, and he responds that Kamala is actually Indian.

        I know he normally talks like this, but come on thats absurd right?

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    many GOP strategists, including in the Trump camp, worried that attacks on Harris’s race and gender […] would pose a serious liability for the campaign

    Do they seriously understand their base that badly, or is this just optics? “I hope his completely unexpected racism doesn’t alienate our voters who are totally not racist we swear this is so bad we’re so worried oh no”

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      The base isn’t going to be put off by it, but that’s not who they’re worried about. Every election is divided by independent swing voters and yes, some of them do care.

      The 33% that constitutes Trump’s base probably likes him more after every racist outburst, but they alone don’t win national elections.

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        I’ve seen a lot of people raise doubts about whether there really are significant amounts of swing voters this time 'round, and I’d sort of tend to agree – if not for any other reason than it seems bizarre that somebody could be vacillating between Trump and Harris

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          Campaigning these days is not about convincing anyone to vote for one candidate or the other. Everyone who might conceivably vote will have known who they’d vote for before the campaign season even began.

          The campaign is about convincing the people who would vote for you that they actually should show up to vote instead of staying home or just going about their day. As a bonus if you make your opponent look like a big enough clown, maybe you can demoralize the opposition’s voting base so they don’t bother showing up to vote.

          This is a big part of why Republicans always want to make it as hard as possible to vote: The people who tend to vote Republican have perverse incentives (lower taxes, ban abortion, etc) so they’re generally much more motivated to get out and vote despite barriers than the typical Democratic voter who just wants a sane government but probably feels like sanity is never delivered on no matter who wins.

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            That might be true but democrats do have perverse incentives to vote this time. Women weren’t an out group last election.

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          Totally, Trump’s not really trying to win any more voters, everyone has already made their decision. He’s mudding the waters and hoping he can discourage people from voting in general to hurt Harris.

          The only way he can win is if a majority of people don’t vote. If you don’t vote, it’s accepting a second Trump presidency.

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            The only way he can win is if a majority of people don’t vote. If you don’t vote, it’s accepting a second Trump presidency.

            If everyone voted, and especially if everyone under 40 voted, the Republican party would lose in a landslide. There’s a reason that the Republicans are so big on voter suppression.

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          There are enough swing voters to deliver a Democratic victory in 2012, Republican in 2016, Democratic in 2020, and either way in 2024.

          I agree with you that it seems ridiculous. The policies and personalities are completely different so it’s difficult to imagine people who can’t decide between the two.

          But I think you have a lot of people who are disaffected with politics in general, who think all politicians are the same, who probably don’t pay too much attention to the news, who make up this bloc. And they probably vote in a reactive way, if at all - a referendum on a bad economy or whatever news breaks through to them. Maybe it’s only 10% of voters, but that’s the margin that decides all these elections. And they are potentially swayed by a constant drumbeat of negative Trump news, especially that he now no longer faces an opponent with their own significant visible flaws.

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      The more of a pig he is, the closer to the election, the more likely it is to turn out the vote against him. Conservatives vote no matter what typically. Enthusiasm on the left decides the election

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    Trump is fucking weird. Dude doesn’t even understand what it’s like to have different traditions on your father and mother’s side of the fence.

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    These hopes were quickly dashed in the course of Trump’s interview with the National Association of Black Journalists Wednesday afternoon, in which the candidate claimed that, for years, Vice President Kamala Harris “was Indian all the way, and then suddenly she made a turn and she became a Black person.”

    Oh, so Trump is accusing her of what he is guilty of. He would change his ethnicity from Swedish to Irish to German depending on who was around.

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      omarosa

      Oh another piece of shit who used Trump to climb the right wing ladder to make money than hopped off to make money talking to his detractors. Cool cool cool.

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      Normally I’d agree with you that reporting every dumb racist thought that disgorges out his face is annoying and counter-productive. But continuing this particularly inneffective tactic is good news and I’m glad to hear it.

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    those in his party who consider racism a losing electoral strategy

    I thought weaponized racism was literally a requirement for their party

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      Both parties. There’s nothing the dems love more than proxies for racism.

      Kamala pledging to pass Biden’s border bill that closes the southern border and increases ICE detention capacity is a slightly more respectable way of expressing what Trump expresses about immigrants, while promoting almost the exact same racist policies.

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          That is a legitimate thing to say when both sides are promoting a bill to shut down the border, hunt down immigrants in the country more efficiently, and hold more of them in camps.

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            Did not Biden search for and find hundreds of separated migrant children, separated under the Trump presidency, and reunite them with their families? That would be something of note that is different between the parties.