“We saw this through his first term in the presidency when he not only didn’t start any new wars, he took action to de-escalate and prevent wars. The same cannot be said about Kamala Harris. In fact the opposite is true.”
She’s not wrong.
Assassinating an Iranian general and tearing up the non proliferation treaty?
Trump did more drone strikes in his first 2 years than Obama did in 8.
They’re a far-right radical cosplaying as a leftist for propaganda, of course they will deliberately ignore what Donald did.
They’re a far-right radical cosplaying as a leftist for propaganda
No. It’s the Democrats who have become far right.
You wrote you are “leaning towards” Donald. You have zero integrity whatsoever. Same with all the other MAGAs.
You have zero integrity whatsoever.
Integrity is being loyal to my ideals, not to a party that has drifted so far right (in ideology, in rhetoric, in incivility) that they are almost indistinguishable from Republicans.
Your ideals are MAGA, and you do have integrity towards them by posting pro-Donald propaganda. The lack of integrity I am calling out is you pretending to be on the left side of Dems and Repubs. “Dems have drifted too far right therefore I will vote further right than that.” Ok, buddy. We can all see what your motivations are.
“Dems have drifted too far right therefore I will vote further right than that.”
That’s the thing. On the issues I most care about (Israel, immigration), I don’t think the Republicans are further right than the Democrats anymore.
i don’t see the democrats siding with assad as he gasses his own people like tulsi does.
I’m pretty sure Kamala hasn’t started any wars as president.
trump literally dropped the largest non nuclear bomb on afghanistan, threatened to go thermonuclear against north korea, assassinated iran’s military leader, ripped up a peace deal, increased presence in iraq, vetoed the bipartisan end of us involvement in yemen, and called for israel to turn gaza into a parking lot.
And, sadly, that’s still pretty pacifist as far as US presidencies go.
How is the opposite true about Kamala? The quote just ends there. No evidence is given. Either Gabbard is being sloppy or the journalist is.
How is the opposite true about Kamala?
Because she isn’t taking measures to de-escalate and avoid wars. Her rhetoric has been nothing but hawkish (on Hamas, Iran, Ukraine, etc.).
And now, just days after her hawkish speech about supporting Israel, we’re now seeing Israel initiate conflict with Lebanon. Good job, Kamala. And she’s not even president yet.
Oh, so it’s no longer geocide joe eh?
What do you mean?
Because I agreed with something Gabbard said about Harris, you think I no longer oppose Joe Biden?
I think you are a serial spammer, and I’m blocking you lol.
You asked me a question and I responded. That’s not spamming.
Lol man you are working overtime 😂😂😂 half the root comments I’ve read have been you spouting something goofy. That’s some basement dweller shit.
He keeps us in his heart
Sure. Tell that to the women that he took abortion rights from, or the refugee kids that he stripped from families, or the people he tried to deny health care, or the natural disaster victims in blue states that he tried not to help because they voted for the other party, etc etc etc.
This man has never cared about anyone other than himself.
If he’s pretending to care about you, it’s because he thinks you’re a useful idiot that will get him into a position of power that he can exploit.
Hates us with all his heart?
Gold digging twit.
What happened to her?
Stopped being able to fool people like you.
She was always just a scammy blow-hard, just like Trump
Much like Sinema… Or Stein.
So a perfectly moderate and sensible person is a scammy-blowhard?
Did you actually look at a single thing of hers when she ran for president? Not surprised youre on lemmy.world lol lets put it that way. Cant even do research into a good frontend, say bombastic shit and somehow get upvotes from fellow redditors who have come to this community.
You’re a moron if you think she stood for anything. She was clearly just a Russian asset from the get go.
Do you… genuinely think this woman was a Russian Agent?
What?
Actions speak louder than words. If she’s endorsing Trump, then whatever progressive platform she lists on her website is meaningless.
Fucking shocker. Russian shill endorses Russian shill
This is simultaneously unsurprising and mildly shocking. I don’t understand human nature.
Weird to see a rat crawl on to a sinking ship
“When a rat is promised cheese, it’ll follow you anywhere.”
-Donald J. Trump
The timing of her endorsement was not accidental. Gabbard, a member of the Hawaii National Guard, had earlier gone to Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia with Trump to lay a wreath marking the third anniversary of the deaths of 13 American servicemen at the Abbey Gate of Kabul Airport during the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
I just want to remind people. You’re going to hear about this in the coming weeks. When some dumb fuck tells you that the Afghan withdrawal was a disaster:
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Ask why the 3 past Presidents kicked the can down the road (rhetorical: It was ALWAYS going to be a disaster on the ground and politically disadvantageous).
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Ask them if they know how many total US service members died under Trump’s term versus Biden’s in Afghanistan. (HINT: The total deaths under Trump is SIXTY-FIVE. The total under Biden: 13)
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Thanks to Biden, ZERO American servicemen have died in 2022, 2023, and 2024 in Afghanistan — the first 0 years since 2001.
Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan will be praised in history books as a political sacrifice that ultimately saved more American lives in the long-run.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan is the the most genuine “the buck stops here”, that I can remember. He ripped off the bandaid and it was the right call
Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan will be praised in history books as a political sacrifice that ultimately saved more American lives in the long-run.
Maybe. But I still hear people insist we could have won Vietnam.
I hear people say the world is flat. Never should have been in Vietnam in the first place.
The ideas don’t come ex nihilo, though. There’s a vested interest among the large and influential pro-war lobbying community to convince policy makers and voters that these endless wars are beneficial, even part of some utopian global project of peace.
“Vietnam was winnable” as an idea persists because it was so profitable. And because Americans really want to believe their military is this unstoppable force, capable of solving any foreign policy problem.
The only question I ask is, who started both illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan??
Republicans! W Bush. Everything else is bullshittery designed to deflect blame from Republicans and the mess they caused.
I’ve said it before, Republicans are assholes that take a shit in your living room then complain about how you are cleaning it up and how you’re not fast enough.
And Republicans will have the balls to tell you they were against it from the start which pisses me off more. I mean who invented freedom fries?!
I distinctly remember my parents being in the deep minority of our area and our extended family in their protest of especially Iraq and prolonged duration in Afghanistan. It’s actually a big part of what flipped my family to Democrats and never looked back.
Fox News was beating the drums of war, Bush was saying, “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists,” and I would see signs in the South while on vacation saying, “Nuke the bastards”
Republicans dragged Democrats along and yes many Democrats begrudgingly went along because the hysteria was so great that if you went against the war we would only have had 1 party now.
Democrats were the first to oppose, and as said, Democrats were the ones to end it.
- Ask who let the Taliban out of Afghanistan’s prisons? Trump did a deal with the Taliban and had the American military crack open the prisons, against the wishes of the supposedly sovereign Afghanistan government.
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“I know what I mean when I share with you that President Trump understands the grave responsibility that a president and commander-in-chief bears for every single one of our lives,” she said.
I really only have obscenities at this point. Lots of them…maybe all of them.
“I know what I mean when I share with you that President Trump understands the grave responsibility that a president and commander-in-chief bears for every single one of our lives,” she said.
…and he doesn’t give single shit about any of those responsibilities or those lives. He will walk on your grandmother’s face if it means saving a single step to wrap his small fingers around a can of Diet Coke sooner.
Oh, isn’t she the one that’s in some weird religious org that’s more like a cult? I believe I listened to a podcast or two about her when she was making the rounds a couple years ago.
She’s in Science of Identity Foundation and I believe pretty close to the leader. QAA has a two part episode about it and her.
QAA has a two part episode about it and her.
That’s where I heard about her. Thanks for providing the name of the group. Turns out the Wikipedia link had already been visited when I looked them up, further confirming this was what I recalled hearing about.
What’s QAA?
Formerly known as QAnon Anonymous, they’re a podcast that started out covering Q-related conspiracies, but have since expanded into general conspiracies and far-right rhetoric. The hosts are also non-tankie leftists, which makes the show even more appealing to me.
You mean Hinduism?
Science of Identity Foundation, as mentioned by another commenter.
Ahhh, can’t have a Lemon party without ol’ Dick.
She is a Russian asset.
who?
Can you expect anything else given the current administration had her added to the Quiet Skies list?
True!
Thanks for bringing up Quiet Skies and Tulsi!
Seems many do not care or know about it.
Yes? If you were added to a sketchy government surveillance list would you then decide you wanted Donald Trump to be president?
I think I might do anything that might prevent that from happening to me again.
All your ideals, your whole political identity, just out the window because you personally were put on a surveillance list? Doesn’t sound like you really believe in anything all that much then…
I believe in not being surveilled by my government. That is a core belief. So you could say that yes I do believe in some things very deeply.
Do you complete your census questionnaire? What about registering for a political party?
Ok, you believe in one thing very much and have no meaningful beliefs about anything to do with anyone other than yourself. Yeah, then it does make sense for you to base your entire political life around a single personal affront.
They’re also ignoring that project 2025 involves putting tens of thousands on a government hit list.
Trump is the person in this election who is most likely to keep creepy watchlists. In fact, I would be shocked if he doesn’t have them already.
He has people who curate his enemies list, and he will get them once he is elected… or at least that is what he told everyone during his rallies.
And Dumpy Don is so level headed and even handed in his application of policy. /S
Am I misreading you or are you saying her endorsement is retaliation for that decision?
It could well be.
Give me a fucking break. Have you not seen what she has been up to for the last five years? This was so fucking predictable. Honestly I’m surprised she hasn’t made some big announcement that she’s joining the GQP.
And… Hilary was right.
(not so coincidentally, that is the name of my wifi network in my red neighborhood, so it can be seen!)
2016 Russiagate smears because she lost to Trump…
DNC and the politicians bought by the owner-class are the ones pushing out these long time democrats.
Tusli was for Bernie Sanders, I wonder ehat could have caused such a big shift.
I suggest to learn more from independent journalists and not just from owner-class media.
Why do you post…why are you here
Echo chambers and self-censorship do not help the working class.
Diverse ideas and thoughts are needed in Lemmy, even if they may be seen as controversial or extreme from the status quo point of view.
Most posts on Lemmy are from owner-class media and the duopoly talking points.
Lies don’t help either.
Being so dense as to lead folks off a cliff doesn’t help.
Calling the world “owner class” and then recommending horse shit is a poison pill.
You’re either malicious or too stupid to see the harm you create.
Regardless you keep equating Lemmy with media and showing everyone the “quality” of your argument.
Thanks for joining in.
I disagree, but feel free to continue your status quo world views.
I will continue to share my diverse ideas.
I’ve been here for a while.
Your posts have been continuously rejected. You are almost unanimously rejected every time you show up and shit one sided bs.
Why do you call that diversity?
Other diverse folks get persecuted by the same people you refuse to criticize. Why do you claim yourself as diverse?
rejected every time you show up
That is to be expected when you go against the status quo and the duopoly.
Other diverse folks get persecuted by the same people you refuse to criticize.
You are just assuming now, I call out the duopoly, not just one or the other.
You reminded me of these quotes:
“I don’t criticize Democrats cuz I side with Republicans, I criticize Democrats Cuz THEY side with Republicans.”
“Our fight is not Left/Right anymore, it is Us vs.Them.”
“We have 2 corporate party’s that serve Wall St/War Machine/Corporations & crush everyone else. #UniParty @0rf”
diversity
“diversity – A variety or assortment.”
Again, I try to share things not seen in Lemmy, so it is expected that people only wanting the status quo will push against anything outside of that view point.
Guys please stop arguing with this disingenuous accelerationist. They clearly give zero fucks about actually making the world better or improving conditions for real people, they’re just here to cosplay revolutionary and support the conservative status quo.
Don’t engage with them, just block them.
Don’t block people like this, that just amplifies their voice. Call them out.
How exactly does blocking them amplify their voice, especially when loudly calling for others to do the same?
Blocking them doesn’t silence them. It just means that you, specifically, can no longer see them. Which means you can no longer downvote them or call them out.
Blocking someone is not winning an argument, it’s ceding the floor to them.
Unfortunately, you can’t call them out like they should be called out because we handcuff ourselves with rules about ‘civility’ when they have none. Thus we only can try to call their arguments out, which of course leads to a circular argument where you lay out the counterpoints to their nonsense and they repeat it, just more fervently. Within the context of both the rules and the mods choice to enforce them more on our side than the dishonest people who come here, ESPECIALLY with the prohibitions of calling a spade a spade (no calling shills, no calling trolls, no calling Russian plants, no calling out as a bot or a sock puppet, even if it’s clear the account in question is what’s being called). When you’re basically told ‘be nice to people who are not being nice to you’, the only real answer is to block and move on.
the only real answer is to block and move on.
Hard disagree. There’s usually more of us than them, and as we can see from lemmy.ml, when mods/admins blatantly and obviously go against the will of the people, then people abandon them. Seeing 15 upvotes and 136 downvotes is a powerful indicator. Seeing a series of people ridiculing a tankie or fascist or “bothsides” troll is powerful. Mods get afraid to be obviously partisan because people will leave.
But when people avoid testy conversations, it gives power to those trolls and partisan mods.
“Independent journalists,” but he posts a fuckload of podcasts from far right radical propagandists. I think I prefer fact-based journalism to brainwashing myself, thanks though.
Delete your account and don’t come back.
Feel free to join in self-censorship, but I don’t think that is healthy for the working class.
Creeps like you thinking they speak for the workers isn’t healthy for them either.
Your labels of smearing those that do not agree with everything you say, says more about you than it does of what I am doing.
Gatekeeping the working class, nice.
says you shouldn’t assume Makes a bunch of assumptions
Most coherent Jimmy Dore fan.
Edit: wording
Thank you, but we all can learn from those we do not agree with.
We must continue to learn and improve ourselves, or try to.
If you paid literally any attention to Tulsi Gabbard before she rebelled against the DNC, this new turn would not be so confusing to you. She was an anti-gay activist and pro-drone strike Fox News guest before she had a brief dalliance with the anti-establishment left.
Tulsi Gabbard before she rebelled against the DNC
“If you paid literally any attention” to the presidential debates, you would know she was pushing for Bernie Sanders policies as well.
Culture wars and identity politics will always divide the working class, and I will not disagree with you about that.
Tulsi said she was against regime change wars, but yes, she has the status quo policies on our forever wars and regime change wars. I agree again.
Oh, fuck off, man. It doesn’t take a fucking genius, let alone someone as smug as you, to see how much of a piece of shit she’s always been.
Following the owner-class talking points and smears.
It’s not hard to tell who falls for the Blue MAGA talking points every four years, with their continuous fear mongerging to sway any dissidence.
I am against the duopoly, and I will proudly support third parties that are for the working class.
“Blue MAGA.” What happened to “independent journalism” if you’re pretending this idea from the far right exists in reality?
Dude you’re not supposed to go full-troll, gotta keep just a hint of sincerity in there or the normies will sniff you out. There’s no coming back from that.
full-troll
The others may be doing that, but I do not agree with the status quo or the duopoly.
Why hide what you are for…
There you go again. If you tone it back some people will be able to take you more seriously.
I am who I am, I do not feel the need to hide my diverse ideas and thoughts.
Another one acting like Trump has been in every election cycle since the start of this country. Such obvious bad faith rhetoric. And Kudos for you for being gullible and being proud of it.
You do know that labels change…
Blue MAGA and MAGA did not just come out of nowhere.
Obama, Bush, Biden, Clinton, and many more were being called out way before the new labels appeared.
They are the status quo—more forever wars and socialism for the owner-class—while the working class continues to get crumbs.
I will proudly support third parties
You could’ve just stopped there. This is all anybody needs to see to know that nobody should listen to you. In our shitty first past the post system, all this does is pull frustrated people away from the mostly reasonable but imperfect choice. You’re either clueless or intentionally attempting to dissuade people from voting for democrats in order to help trump to win. In this system, a third party candidate cannot fucking win. There is no actual “blue maga” for you to whine about. Stop spreading bullshit. I’m glad your username is so stupid that it’s easy to see on its face that your account’s entire existence is predicated on sowing division or you might actually have a chance at convincing some people. Unfortunately for you, most of the people on lemmy are smarter than the people on reddit. If you actually cared about defending American democracy, you’d shut the fuck up instead of saying this dumbass bullshit that serves only to dismantle what crumbs of democracy we have left, whether your sabotaging words are intentional or not. If you keep posting this braindead shit, then I’ll know for sure that you just want more fascism than we already have. So for the love of all that you are at least claiming to hold dear, shut the entire fuck up about this. Yes, capitalism bad, so actually maybe let’s not hand the country over to donald fucking trump, famous asshole criminal capitalist.
You can’t expect a fucking moron to understand this.
It seems you want a community built upon self-censorship and echo chambers.
I disagree with your point of view and your talking points.
We just have a difference in opinion and how we see the world, due to our upbringing and what we read and watch.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter, even if we do not agree.
Understood. You just want more fascism than we already have. Thank you for clarifying.
Fascism has already been in the US for a while.
The duopoly is just pushing for more.
Hilary was right.
About what?
That Republicans were grooming her. She was effectively a DINO when she ran in 2020 (though she did eventually endorse Biden).
Well, Republicans do know a LOT about grooming…
A great many things.
Hilary was right
Again.
Modern day Cassandra.
Indeed. Accurate prophecies, yet not believed.
Is it HILLARY WAS RIGHT or BASKET OF DEPLORABLES?
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Tulsa Gabbard has the warmth, honesty and vocal tonality of Elizabeth Holmes.
Worst part about this comment, I can’t tell who it’s a bigger insult to.
Gabbard. Holmes is at least trying to do a bit and pretend she’s Jobs, even if her technical acumen is equivalent to his personal hygiene (I.e. it fucking stinks). Gabbard is just like that, so that’s so much worse.
At least Holmes is kinda hot
ah yes, because a women’s worth is directly related to their attractiveness
