• LouNeko@lemmy.world
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    As somebody who watches this whole US election circus from the outside, it seems to be like Americans treat the election like fantasy football, except at the end of the day if you player gets injured somebody has to go out there and break the dudes legs for real.

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    I don’t understand why Trump can’t be happy to be one of the few people to have been a president. Why must he do it again?

    Now, let him retire. He have the money. He is already famous. Just let him go in peace to the prison…

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      Probably because he’s done so much illegal shit his only hope is to regain the presidency so he has some immunity until either the various cases and charges get dismissed or he’s simply old enough that he can ride out the clock and die either too senile to know he’s under house arrest or die before he could start a prison sentence

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    Trump could be in a vegetative state, literally medically braindead, and Trump voters would still line up to cast their ballots for him.

    That’s what happens when you have a cult of personality, it takes on a life of it’s own and becomes more of an identity than an ideology. They don’t care what Trump stands for or even if Trump stands, all that matters is that they are Trump people and they only want to associate with their kind.

    For the rest of us, things like fitness and policy matter, which is why Biden was held to account and Trump will never be. There is no line that cannot be crossed.

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        Report to the nearest Ordo Hereticus branch office for immediate punitive correction and summary execution.

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    Trump being senile doesn’t matter to Trump voters. As long as he hates the same people they hate, they’ll decorate their trailers and go out and put him in power.

    Biden being senile did matter to Biden voters. That’s why they attacked him on it. And rightly so. Let the poor man retire. It’s not an easy job if you actually bother to do it.

    The GOP won’t replace Trump even if they his health does concern them, because if they do they go from just under half of the votes to being obliterated.

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      I have a theory that they’ll tolerate anything to get into the whitehouse again, get proj 2025 rolling, then Vance et al do the ol 25th Amendment cha-cha and Peter Theil gets to control the white house.

      By himself, Vance can’t get Theil there, but riding the deranged tangerine palpatine into office is extremely plausible.

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      Right, in a sane world, Trump has been proving himself unfit to hold any more responsibility than a burger flipper for decades now. The fact that anyone could possibly be on the fence about him at this point means the game is already lost.

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      It’s interesting that out of the republican base, there are that many more of “people who want a person [trump] who hates the same people they do” rather than “people who care about [traditional republican values].” That they’re running trump in the hopes to win means the party has traded its soul of traditional values for hate.

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        I think its going to be a landslide. I think a ton of republicans are done with either trump or the party as a whole.

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    Since his run for 2016 his speech has been teetering on coherency… It’s part of how he became a meme. How far gone he/it is is more or less meta and par for course.

    Tldr by what metric

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      He drifts between topics more regularly and in fewer words that he used to. Like in 2016 he would say dumb stuff, but could say two sentences in a row or more on the same subject before switching to something else tangentially related if you squint hard enough. It was word salad, but you could follow it if you just pictured it was the utterance of an excited four year old.

      Now he has trouble finishing sentences without switching subjects and instead of saying nonsensical things it is more of a word puree than word salad. Everything is mixed together and completely incoherent instead of stupid. It was a low starting point, but it has gotten worse.

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    Nothing is disqualifying for a Republican candidate for president.

    Except maybe, I dunno, having a plan for healthcare or housing affordability or something.

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      It’s not just Republicans, but Republicans are notorious for their universal double standards that only one without shame can have.

      To varying degrees, every single person has things in their life that they like, and no amount of accurate, undeniable, objective, information about it being bad/wrong/inefficient etc will change their mind unless they decide they want to.

      There’s plenty of disqualifying traits for Republicans, which is a large part of why they now have a God king who wears diapers and has more fingers than functional brain cells.

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        There’s plenty of disqualifying traits for Republicans

        What are they? This guy literally tried to overthrow the government. He openly courts Russian influence in elections. He openly admits to being easily corrupted and persuaded by individual campaign donors to the point of changing his entire position on the basis of what companies they own. He has been convicted of felonies. He has been convicted of fraud. He has been found in court to have sexually assaulted women. He had his charity organization shut down due to fraud. Many of his attorneys can no longer practice law because of the things he had them attempt in courtrooms. He conspired to bring fake electors to Washington DC. He sent love letters back and forth with a North Korean dictator. He bragged about assassinating a murder suspect in the Pacific Northwest. He’s incontinent. He’s unintelligible. He was impeached twice. He said “we’ll take the weapons first and then do process later”. He said of John McCain “I like people who weren’t captured”. He fucked a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then he paid the porn star off to cover up the story during the election. He mocks disabled reporters. He smells like a full diaper. He said he can “grab women by the pussy” because he is a star. He sold beans from the oval office because a Goya executive said they supported him. He called Nazis “very fine people”. He told the American public that “they’re looking into” injecting disinfectants in order to cure COVID. He refused COVID testing and then went on-stage for a planned debate with an active case of it. He wanted a military parade. During the passage of his meager working-person tax cut, he forced the US treasury to attach his signature to the checks. He’s fundamentally weird and never appears to laugh or ever even tell a coherent joke. He rarely even smiles. He likely gave secret documents to the Russians. He and his family used private email servers continually despite pretending that his political opponent deserved to be in jail for doing so. He complains constantly about the state of the country whether or not he is leading it. He does not appear to have a single friend in the world. Everyone who works with him winds up regretting it. He goes on strange rants where he speaks as if “the late great Hannibal Lecter” is or was an actual person that died. He lies about his mental and physical health. The list goes on and on and on.

        Yet despite all of that…HE IS THE GOP NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.

        The guy is a walking version of “the aristocrats” joke.

        As far as I can tell a disqualifying trait for the Democratic candidate for President is looking too old or letting out a “BYAAAAW” at a campaign event. So this isn’t exactly a “both sides” type of thing. One party’s candidates have to walk on water to barely win, while the other’s continually rack up absolutely absurd would-be dis-qualifiers and continues to be taken seriously by the media, the government, and the public.

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          A Republican isn’t gonna read that wall of text and neither am I, because it doesn’t matter.

          Everything and more you listed Trump does doesn’t matter to his voters, because he’s gonna be super racist and super pro Christian and that’s literally the entire Republican voter Christmas list, so anything else is irrelevant.

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            he’s gonna be super racist and super pro Christian and that’s literally the entire Republican voter Christmas list

            He’s going to be pro-industry, pro-oligarchy, and pro-rich people. He’s going to do whatever the moneyed interests in the country (and the globe for that matter) want him to do.

            That’s the entire Republican Christmas list. As long as he does that, they don’t care about what he says or does and they’ll paper over all of it on their news network.

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              You’re confusing rich Republicans who benefit from Trump, and the poor/middle class who get absolutely nothing but racisim and Christianity.

              The super wealthy bankroll everything and get all the rewards + power.

              But the votes that put him in office are 95% from people who will be hurt by deregulation, crushed by increased taxes (that pay for the racisim and forced Christianity), and want the freedom to openly hate anything they don’t like (which they believe was woked away from them).

              The idiots who will be crushed by Trump the hardest are his biggest fans.

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                You’re confusing rich Republicans who benefit from Trump, and the poor/middle class who get absolutely nothing but racisim and Christianity.

                And you’re confusing “the base” with people whom the Fox News and rich people apparatus more generally don’t have any control over.

                The federalist society and other “think tanks” decide the actual agenda. Trump is just the talking head at the center of it. When he’s dead and buried it’s not like they’re going to start advising people to vote for Democrats.

                The reason none of these (sometimes very serious) things sink him is because the media constantly gives him a pass on all of it.

                He’s their mascot. He’s shown himself to be friendly enough to corporate interests that he’s allowed to continue being that mascot. They still need one that’s at least popular enough to enliven some of the dead as disco voter demographics they need to get into office and obtain power.

                Once he’s elected again their plan is to “fix it so good” that nobody will have to ask for votes anymore, because at least what they want (and they might get it) is to be able to disenfranchise, cheat, and abuse their way to victory and extinguish democracy altogether.

                Look at the states they govern, for example, North Carolina is already considered “not a democracy” by some international watchgroups because of the gerrymandering and other tactics used to control the outcome of elections there. They want to go national with that.

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      Making any decision that helps citizens at the expense of the corporations and the wealthy would be disqualifying.

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        He has no plans at all except to bloviate like an idiot at any given opportunity, take massive dumps in his depends, avoid prison because he’s the president again, start up some concentration camps if he can stay off truth social that long, and cheat at golf.

        If there is another crisis in the next four years (which is almost guaranteed because he’s also a moronic, crisis generator and so are the dimwits that he’ll nominate to cabinet positions), he will handle that just as poorly as he handled COVID.

        He’ll also probably die in office. In fact, I think the odds of him dying in office are far better than the odds of him coming up with a healthcare plan or a plan to increase housing affordability.

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          The orange arsewipe can be easily lead like Homer Simpson “Ohh, piece of candy. Ohh, piece candy. Ohh, piece of candy”.

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            There is zero evidence he has that much attention span.

            Also, that was James Woods.

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    You misunderstand. His mental acuity is rapidly increasing! Hence why we often fail to comprehend the great leader’s genius.

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      “My goodness, he’s weaving 15, 20, even 25 topics simultaneously now! Inconceivable!” - some “english professor” no ones met

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      No one has even hinted at this belief for years. Mostly you hear his supporters wishing he would STFU. Hell, even people still motivated enough to go to his rallies are walking out early, shaking their heads.

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    They’re still here, talking about how Harris hasn’t solved the Israel situation yet, despite having been President of the Earth for 20 years now.

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    The donor class doesn’t really care about Trump’s mental (and psychological) issues, and really don’t even care much about Trump at all. They’re not actually supporting him - they’re supporting the handlers and advisers with which they intend to surround him, and the policies (and primarily Project 2025) that they intend to enact through him.

    If anything, his incoherence is, to them, a benefit, since he’s just that much easier to manipulate. Since he can’t form a coherent thought on his own, he can be readily filled up with someone else’s ideas, just so long as they’re framed correctly.

    He’s like a wind-up toy - all they have to do is feed him carefully crafted stories and get him wound up and pointed in the right direction, then just let him go.

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      If anything, his incoherence is, to them, a benefit, since he’s just that much easier to manipulate. Since he can’t form a coherent thought on his own, he can be readily filled up with someone else’s ideas, just so long as they’re framed correctly.

      This is pretty much what was going on in the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush too. I’m so sick of sharing a country with people who eagerly elect feeble-minded puppets… I guess because they find them relatable.

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    The majority of people who objected to Biden were Democrats that wanted a better candidate because we were afraid that Biden would lose to Trump. The majority of Republicans can’t conceive of a universe where Trump ever loses an election so there hasn’t been an equivalently loud push on the GOP side.

    Also, while I’d personally rather Trump be off the ballot entirely a fair chunk of democratic voters seem to think we’re better off with Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

    Basically, this article is drawing an equivalence between two very different situations.

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      I also love the implication that it somehow wouldn’t be a massive waste of time for Democrats to go tell Trump he’s too old to run. Like how worthless is your time if you’re gonna spend it barking up the worlds dumbest tree. If I wanted to be ignored, I’d at least ask for something like no longer selling weapons to nations credibly accused of genocide.

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      I want Trump off the ballot (and planet) but I do think that another GOP candidate would have been much more likely to win.*

      Public opinion on the current administration and the economy is negative to the point that one would expect the incumbent party to be facing an extremely uphill battle. But Trump is even more unpopular, brings a ton of baggage, energizes his opposition and alienates his allies by threatening democracy and the rule of law, says crazy nonsense that drives away independent voters instead of focusing on issues, and sabotages his own campaign through mismanagement.


      * Of course, that would only have happened if Trump hadn’t run, since he would almost certainly have caused chaos and infighting if someone beat him in the primaries.

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      Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

      I REALLY would hate to see a Harris v Haley election.

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        Would the main MAGA group shift to support her? I don’t think you can just switch out cult leaders like that. How would she do with policy vs. Harris? What would be fascinating is having a race where someone is going to be the first woman President, regardless, so that is removed from the reasons for voting for them - which it shouldn’t be…I want someone who can be a leader, period. And for what it’s worth, Trump could have been a leader (not a great one, but one still), he got a few chances during his term, even soft ball ones. And he failed them all.

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          The Republicans are completely fucked without Trump and they know it. There is simply no other candidate that has any traction with their base let alone is able to galvanise it. This election is all about bringing out the vote and Trump is the only one who has a shot at that on the right.

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        Nikki Haley couldn’t win the GOP primary for the same reason Kamala Harris couldn’t win the Dem Primary. They’ve got these very fancy resumes built up through a lifetime of insider political brown-nosing and horse trading. But they were still trapped under the glass ceiling, by organizers and mega-donors that don’t respect women.

        Hilary - for all her flaws - did “crack the glass ceiling” by hitting a critical mass of insider support that women, up until this point, hadn’t enjoyed. That won Harris a place on Biden’s ticket four years later as a kind-of concession to the PUMAs. But Haley was never going to manage it, because the racism and misogyny in her party is that much thicker. There is no large active feminist wing of the Republican Party.

        I don’t think the GOP is realistically going to be able to put up a woman candidate unless the base of the party is drastically altered. Democrat insiders tolerate women, begrudgingly. Republicans hate them at a biblical level.

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        Harris would have it in the bag. Haley is a true believer in pro-life policies in a way that would really turn off independents. Haley is an absolutely awful national candidate and can only really thrive in regions where Christianity has a death grip on the electorate.

        Trump’s agnosticism is actually one of his political strengths - it should be a weakness with his base but for some reason he’s viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don’t understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind. Especially when it was Biden vs. Trump with Biden being a deeply religious and non-shitty Catholic.

        The GOP is seriously unhinged right now… and every GOP politician who has called that out has been instantly destroyed… that’s actually another contrast of this article - Pelosi openly and really fucking brazenly called for Biden to step down, Johnson, Scalise… fucking McCarthy? Those clowns would never dare because unless they act as a group it’s political suicide.

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          for some reason he’s viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don’t understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind.

          That’s the neat part, they don’t. Cognitive dissonance is one helluva drug

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            Cognitive dissonance causes internal suffering when trying to reconcile two irreconcilable facts or beliefs. You’re suffering dissonance trying to get your head around Trump = Jesus. They are not suffering.

            (For the record, Trump can represent God because he is an “imperfect vessel”, and that’s OK because all have fallen short of the glory of God, sinners casting stones, etc… Besides, didn’t Jesus teach forgiveness? Don’t try to understand this either, just don’t, or more dissonance for you!)

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              Well, I’m not an expert, but I don’t think they don’t experience it so much as their religion has trained them to rationalize it away quickly. I feel like this meme template sort of reflects this, and I think the anger you’d get from bringing the contradiction to light is primarily it

              I suppose that means my original post was phrased incorrectly regardless

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                The meme is incomplete. Instead of the fourth panel with the realization, you open up a new meme with a different objection. And it repeats, over and over.

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          They don’t see Trump as the second coming of Christ, they see him as more like another King Cyrus. It’s the idea that a ruler or other major figurehead can be a “vessel for God” benefiting the believers of a particular religion while not actually being a part of said religion or conforming to its morals.

          Vox article on this, for example

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      “Well, I would do that, and we’re sitting down. You know, I was somebody — we had, Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka, was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue."

      “But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about — that, because look, child care is child care, couldn’t — you know, there’s something — you have to have it in this country. You have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers, compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to. But they’ll get used to it very quickly. And it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us. But they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s going to take care. We’re going to have — I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country.”

      “Because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care. But those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just — that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars. And as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers will be taking in.”

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        Even if you want to make the argument that he has been incoherent, he has never been as incoherent as Joe Biden has been over the past 4 to 6 years.

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        Why get so offended? Just because he rambles like someone with ADHD doesn’t mean that Biden didn’t sound like someone with Alzheimer’s. People will think ADHD people are better off cognitively than those with Alzheimer’s.

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      “Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

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    Wanting to know why they’re so quiet about Trump? They’re voting for him.