…
She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.
Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.
Idk, I disagree:
Trounced, as the old timey news papers would have put it
Slammed, as new timey ones say.
Harris SLAMS Trump in new slam, which slams the slam Slamala slam slams
One slam more and it would have been hilarious.
I’m still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women’s sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.
Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?
This is what my parents unironically believe. Maybe not the part about eating dogs but definitely the rest. They think liberalism is some kind of conspiracy to turn everyone into transgender stoners.
Liberalism would be a lot cooler if it was.
The dudebro to anarchist trans girl pipeline is a widely observed phenomenon.
Capitalism would be in trouble if we were in charge.
“THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!” is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That’s how my daughter greeted me after school today
Haha.
A sticker of this should go on every gas pump in America.
Trump’s head with a little dialogue bubble…
Every accusation a confession.
Can I come to your prison? I would like to be a latina please 🥺💃🏽
He can’t hold a thought that coplicated in his head.
He doesn’t believe anything he says. He doesn’t even hear himself. He’s like a poorly trained LLM at this point. It’s become so over tuned it’s only spews nonsense with conviction
He doesn’t believe anything he says.
Trump has often bragged about how good he is at deceiving people. Anyone who thinks Traitorapist Trump believes his own shit has been Trumped.
If the last person who talked to him was Stephen Miller, it probably is. To paraphrase George Burns, putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
I’m so going to steal this expression!
You forgot the part about how the trans surgeries are actually medical experiments to create an alien-human hybrid to prepare the Earth for the upcoming alien invasion.
Did he say that? I am going to have to watch this now. That’s fucking crazy
No, I stole it from the X Files.
But the notion that it sounds plausible compared to something Trump would say is really telling, isn’t it?
All Trump proved is that he is the social media-addicted racist uncle everyone has in their family. That is what he demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt.
“I saw it on television”
Man, I’d hate to sneak into the US just to chill and chow down on some cats, just to end up winning gold medals in woman’s sports
Would be super annoyed
Don’t forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.
By the millions! Millions i tell you
It’s hilarious, he obviously literally does not know the difference between “insane asylum” and “seeking asylum”. He’s so goddamn stupid he thinks they’re the same word.
Goddamn, I wish a moderator had called him out on that one. I didn’t realize he was referencing asylum seekers, and the humiliation as they explain it slowly to him would be wonderful.
The mood in r/conservative seems to be fairly in agreement with this headline. Kind of delicious to creep on lol
The hero we needed
Just like Donald Trump is the “hero” our conservative friends deserve.
You are far braver than I.
I wonder what conservative@lemm.ee thinks. They’re an entertaining bunch.
Apparently they don’t want to talk about it. The only post since the debate is an unrelated article fearmongering about Haitian immigrants.
Sorry, I already showered today.
I went ahead and took the liberty of posting a query in there… and surprisingly the top comment (probably wasn’t a member lol) was in favour of Kamala.
Lol, no one “did a good job” at the debate? Great assertion neur, now let’s see you back it up.
Pretty much what I’d expect from a trump supporter after that debate. They can’t openly come out and say Kamala dominated him… so they just grudgingly say neither did well and vaguely portend our ok imminent doom
My parents are longtime NPR fans but my mom was pissed today because NPR was basically saying this in their analysis.
The mod there is always doing that game where he winks about how the Democrats were the slave owners during the civil war, as if the numerous political realignments since then never happened.
I got banned yesterday for posting a speech by Lincoln where he was mocking slavers because they called themselves “conservatives” despite the fact that they wanted to break long-standing prohibitions and push slavery onto the rest of the country.
He apparently didn’t appreciate my demonstration that it’s always been ideological conservatives who are consistently weirdo fascist losers.
Pretty quiet so far. Took a peek and the only posts in the last day are about Ohio and the influx of Haitian immigrants and one person asking what everyone thought of the debate.
So far, that post has two comments, the most upvoted one said Harris won and is the better candidate; the other with the most downvotes said that neither did a good job, that there was no winner, and that the American people lost in the debate.
That’s great.
Here in my mixed political neighborhood, we have 3 houses with huge banners nailed to their fences, including a 40 ft long “FUCK BIDEN” one, a Christmas lights covered “Outlaws Trump & Vance” larp poster with them both in cowboy costumes and a few others.
We don’t talk to the crazy ones, of course. However the fuck Biden banner house has a really nice old lady in her 80s living in it, so very strange…
We don’t talk to the crazy ones, of course.
This is the only good thing about Trump signs. It lets me know who in the neighborhood to avoid.
But what’s the reaction on his propaganda platform with the hilariously tanking stock?
Hey cool, its price finally fell below what its initial offer price was. That’s the first time in its lifetime.
That’s still way, way, way too high. But still.
That’s still way, way, way too high. But still.
You mean $8,000,000,000 was too much to spend to build a website comparable in functionality to Lemmy?
To my knowledge, it runs a custom version of mastodon. Maybe they should donate some of their winnings to the project, should they manage to dump their stocks before the company goes bust.
I will never know firsthand, that’s for sure.
Right off starts with BS.
She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.
Lol, that’s not things work! What a stupid narrative… Trump knew exactly what he was doing by walking straight to his podium. He didn’t even meet her halfway. He made her have to come over to him. That! is the power move. Making her have to come to him. THAT is what shows dominance. Harris displays no dominance and is going to appear weak to other world leaders, which will make America look weak.
She was never in charge. And she reaked of subservience.
She met him at his podium as soon as he made it because she walks twice as fast, as him, and he looked completely taken off guard by the completely normal interaction.
If you think that was a “power move” for him, you’re pretty desperate for Trump…
It would be a power if anyone would have done that. I think the nuances of power dynamics isn’t going to be well understood here. Very low T around here.
You’re high on copium.
It’s “reeked” but let’s be real, we already knew you couldn’t fucking spell.
Haha, the very first comment is an ad hominem. Can’t wait for the rest.
That you cannot spell isn’t a character attack, it is an objective fact easily verified by reading your comments.
It’s just a fact that makes you look bad. Sucks to suck.
Don’t waste your time feeding the troll
I’m trolling the troll, I don’t know what the hell the rest of y’all are doing
Misguided and wrong. And I don’t think you understand what trolling is.
I’m sick of correcting people because they lack reading comprehension. That was absolutely a personal attack.
we already knew you couldn’t fucking spell
Your comment is also an ad hominem. You think I should defend myself for commonly misspelled words and typos? Here’s a personal attack for ya, get stuffed.
qq more, brah.
Shut up
And yet, none of it will matter because anyone who had even been considering voting for the racist cheeto is infinitely entrenched and bound by their own logic.
Indeed, and note that Harris didn’t even attempt to go after his voters. The target is the middle and the squishy left, a reminder of what the stakes are in this election. She made it clear he was a petulant child, only caring about himself and the things important to him, and invited voters who want someone who doesn’t just care about themselves to come out and vote for her.
Hopefully it’s effective, because Trump has Project 2025 ready to go, despite his lies saying he knows nothing about it.
His face when she told him people left his rallies early was fucking priceless.
This headline, it makes Vladimir feel very jealous, da?
The delusions don’t stop…
I know. What was like Donald was having hallucinations on stage
… what?
Trump got trumped.
So…no…I disagree strongly with this analysis.
Yes…for reasonable people…Kamala slaughtered Trump.
But that’s not what his base cares about. They’re the dregs of society that get off on WWF and whatever MTV is these days. He yelled more, he made sensational completely bullshit off the cuff lies, and he rolled over the moderators like a Karen going after the manager.
His base loved it. I think his message of fear, hate and bullshit was compelling (if you still read at a 6th grade level like the majority of Americans).
Yes…reasonable people know Kamala is a better candidate.
Do you really believe someone who is still undecided going into last night’s debate is a reasonable person?
Undecided are largely not actually undecided. They mostly vote along party lines. The point, in the current political climate, is to demotivate turnout of the other side’s undecided. And I think based on that, this was a deep loss for Trump. Outside the pundit sphere, he was literally a punchline and joke the entire night. Memes of the hilariously dumb shit he spewed almost instantly sprouted up and are all over the place.
The demotivated take is solid. I like it…thanks.
Thank you!
I thought I was crazy looking at all these posts… You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris. I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points… Trump kept spitting out “data” (lies, but the people who don’t pay much attention don’t know that) and so he appeared more knowledgeable than her, she just kept trying to attack him instead of actually responding to things… Hell, why did we keep the tarrifs? Why not just answer that for us?
One bit that drove me up the wall was when he went on about all the court cases that he “won” and had dismissed… For fucks sake Kamala that’s the perfect opportunity to discuss the heritage foundation and the corruption of the courts! Goddamn “judge” Cannon was the piece of shit doing Trump’s bidding and tossing these cases… That’s a perfect example to provide to the people as to why court reform is important and she could have created a distinction between them, but no she goes back to a talking point that I can’t even remember what it was…
Oh yea, that was a debate point I hated too…she’s billing herself as the prosecutor, but when he started uttering complete bullshit about the cases he won, she didn’t go after it.
Come on Kamala, fucking get him… that’s a underhanded softball pitch thrown by a 6 year old, kill it. Instead she took the safe single and went back to policy.
I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points
So let’s say she corrects him on a lie. Then what? Correct the next one? The one after that? The one after that? Trump had more lies than Kamala had time.
Responding to lie after lie after lie just lets him control the conversation. What she did was the best option available.
You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris.
Look just say as an idiot, it’s way shorter. As an idiot, loud shouty man seemed stronger? If you have no life experience, sure. Loud shouty men look out of control with their emotions, weak, and easily manipulated…which is exactly how Trump seemed to anyone who wasn’t an idiot.
Trump kept spitting out “data”
Spittle isn’t data.
Look, she didn’t do perfectly, but she also was alloted much less time and the breaks for commercials(?!) seemed to always screw her over. You’re never going to respond to every point in an angry gish gallop and she did about as good as anyone could in my opinion.
I mean, for fuck’s sake, as the article says, he lost the exchange on the Afghanistan withdrawal.
But I don’t mean idiot, I meant what I said. If anything ignorant would be more concise and keep my meaning. If for some reason you don’t pay attention to politics but still find yourself watching the debate Trump seemed to have a lot of responses to criticism and “answers” to problems even if they were all lies.
The end was absolutely infuriating, of course Trump gets the last word… “Why haven’t you done any of what you said you want to do already?”
… because we have a fucking Republican Congress! Again any ignorant person wouldn’t recognize that and would accept what he said as truth. It makes sense in a way, if you’re in power now then why aren’t you doing something? That one is not Kamalas fault though, that’s ABC always letting Trump have the last word… :/
The end was absolutely infuriating, of course Trump gets the last word… “Why haven’t you done any of what you said you want to do already?”
At times, I thought Trump made arguments like this because he thought it was a good tactic, but ultimately I think he just forgets that Congress is a part of the process at times.
His closing statement was babbling and bordered on incoherent, so I was fine with him having the “last word”.
He also kind of complemented her plans in it. “We’re going to do all of these wonderful things”.
Overall, operation let him talk was a very bigly success IMO.
As others said, she would mainly be converting independent voters and potentially some Republican leaning voters that don’t actually like Trump but are hesitant to cross party lines.
But I also think it’s likely that his terrible performance and obvious weakness could be demoralizing to his more devoted followers. The people who buy into the stable genius strong man image he is so desperate to project got a chance to see just what a sad old wreck of a human being he is. Even if virtually none of them switch sides, a decline in enthusiasm likely translates into slightly fewer donations, slightly less engagement, and ultimately slightly less voter turnout.
To put it another way, did Biden’s debate performance convert his base into Trump voters? No. But, it sure as hell had an effect on them.
I can tell you, based on what the conservatives were posting last night, they were excited as hell about Trump’s performance.
It’s weird…so fucking weird. You people (conservatives) are reasonable in real life, how can you watch this shit show and be excited about it?
I would expect the Trump supporters that are posting (particularly the ones posting as they watch) to post their support and approval for everything Trump says and does. Any that are disappointed or discouraged by what they saw are probably more likely to say nothing. People are quick to express the knee-jerk reaction they want to have, but it often takes time to process when they feel let down.
I mean, yes, absolutely, there have to be people who nodded in agreement at everything Trump said, who were excited when he brought up the immigrants eating pets, who felt that Trump was the only sane one there. But there also had to be some that were frustrated with what they were seeing, and who now have a little less energy to devote to the election. Will the latter group be large enough to have an impact? We’ll have to wait and see.
Good response…I hope you’re right.
I don’t think there’s any chance of converting his base, though. Surely what she needed to do - and what it sounds like she did, I haven’t finished listening to the debate yet - is persuade everyone else to vote for her? His base alone isn’t enough to guarantee him a win if there’s a strong showing for Harris, as happened for Biden in 2020
I think there are people who have conservative values which they believe are better for the country but also struggle with the thought of supporting Trump. For those people, last night’s debate probably pushed them further away from him. Some may go to Harris which is the hope.
I wish she would have invited those people directly in her closing statement. Something along the lines of “If you don’t agree with me, I’m hear to listen and understand why. Together, we can move forward instead of going back to chaos and anger and division “
She did seem to go after them when she mentioned all the Republicans that have endorsed her.
They’re the dregs of society that get off on WWF and whatever MTV is these days.
People are climaxing to the World Wildlife Fund?
FYI It was renamed WWE in 2002…
His supporters don’t know that.
They most certainly do
If there’s one thing they know it’s TV ‘rasslin’.
Do you really believe someone who is still undecided going into last night’s debate is a reasonable person?
It’s not just about president it’s about party. Someone might not like Trump. But at the same time dislike democratic policies and democrats as a party.
So now the have to decide. Do they go against Republicans due to their candidate? Hearing Kamala debate him might convince them that yeah… ok. They’re not THAT bad… at least they (democrats) are better than him (Trump)
Except for the women that peed on him.
Way to go Kamala!
Actually, E. Jean Carroll did.
Kamala Harris dominated the debate despite the fact that she was given about 5 minutes less time to speak!
It’s disappointing to see how the media invariably accommodates Trump. Contrary to the rules of the debate, when Trump continued talking after his time was up or demanded to respond to a point Harris made, they often let him by not muting his microphone. This added up to right around 5 minutes of extra speaking time on prime time television for him to spew his lies. The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators. If there is any silver lining here it’s that Trump probably made his debate performance worse by talking more!
I was glad to see some push back and fact checking by the moderators in regards to Trump’s most egregious lies. Today MAGA is complaining that the debate was rigged and the moderators were against Trump due to the fact checks while they should be thanking ABC for the special treatment that allowed Trump extra air time.
Go Harris/Walz!
CNN should take some notes. That’s what moderators are supposed to do.
Nah they still are teeball amateurs compared to Kyle Clark.
It was very disappointing, even though it was pretty much as expected. They even let Trump talk over and interrupt the moderators!
The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators.
And she didn’t even put up with that. She just waited until her next turn, went back, said her part, and then answered the new question. Trump was basically incoherent by comparison
And she only did it to counter a bold face lie he said about herself.
Not 10 minutes before she stated that she did not ban fracking, will not ban fracking and made the tie breaking vote in favor of fracking.
But he still says “shes going to ban fracking if elected” like dude WTH. Are you paying attention?No. He is in Bizarro World 24/7 and will not have anyone, let alone a woman, tell him otherwise.
And I, for one, would love it if she actually banned fracking. But that’s not an argument that Trump World can make.
What is fracking?.
Fracking — shorthand for hydraulic fracturing — is the process of extracting gas or oil deep underground using a high-pressure mixture of water, sand and chemicals to break up rock.Its definetly a controversial subject.
I think it’s a hot issue for many working class citizens due to the results of creating more American jobs and lowering gas prices.
On the other side of the issue is climate risks and feeding our reliance on fossil fuels.
On one side! The world dying! On the other, a couple people’s jobs that can be replaced by green sector jobs!
What a massively hard decision.
We all know in a capitalist society there are people who only see short term. They care about themselves and not the future.
That means billionaires that only care about making the line go up. Increasing their own wealth. Hoarding it like greedy little lepricons.
That means working class that wants cheap gas and more jobs.
All at the cost of the planet and the future of all life on the planet.
It’s also poisoning our water
