Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Donald Trump is so feral and narcissistic, so unrestrained and so outside the norm of American politics, that he’s difficult to debate. It’s disorienting. Very few people have been able to stand up to him without being pulled into the muck. In the past, even when he lost debates on points, he dominated his opponents.
But on a Tuesday night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris cracked the code.
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Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Lindsey Slam!
Cautious hope that this may a “Have you no sense of decency sir?” moment.
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he pulled the black jobs thing again even though this implies so many racist shit. he must be so retarded to bring that up. it doesn’t make black people side with him, but is an affront
Removed for ableist slur. :(
Ableism is not a real thing.
As far as our standards and practices go, it is.
Yeah I see that, I’m just expressing my disagreement with the standard itself.
Don’t worry - no matter how squishy we get in feelings land, evolutionary pressure still exists.
If you say it to an able person, it’s okay IMO, but whatever rocks your boat, I guess.
So wait is it okay to use the black slur to a white person, or the gay one to a straight man? Say what you will about using this particular word at all, but that’s a weird distinction.
no, for those it depends on who’s saying them too. those are special. this one was more like “lame”, which can be cruel if you’re calling it someone who is disabled, but is an okayish mean thing to call someone who is not. however, when i wrote that, i was angry and wanted to be mean. so i’m not mad at all it got removed now that i’m no longer angry.
The issue is, you’re using a disability as a weapon. You’re saying “it’s bad to be retarded. You’re retarded. Therefore you’re bad.” The very act of using that term as an insult necessarily insults all people who are themselves medically retarded. In short, if being retarded wasn’t a bad thing, why would you use it as an insult?
I can tell you from experience that I’d rather spend my time in the company of special needs people than Conservatives. Most of the special needs people I’ve worked with are some of the kindest and most compassionate people I know, while Conservatives seem to have built their entire ideology around having the compassion and empathy of a sociopath.
One can certainly see it that way, but what I meant was: “There are people who think a bit slower and then there is what this guy just did. Only the latter action is retarded.”
I can see that as a legitimate intent. Unfortunately, intent is often hard to convey, without like, what, 4 posts worth of comments on a social media thread? I don’t really care about the word myself. I just wanted to highlight how, even without malicious intent, you can end up hurting someone you don’t want to.
I recognize the feral and narcissistic paragraph from somewhere else. Source for this?
I’m confused why people think Kamala won the debate - she was just regurgitating pre prepared meaningless lines.
That’s what debates have been pre-Trump.
There were never any surprises. They were expected to be composed and articulate.
It was mostly about getting voters to tune in at prime time because despite there being round the clock news, most people don’t actually pay close attention to politics.
I remember now what I always hated about debates, they were always boring reminder that both parties are the same
Did you hear trump? He didn’t answer a single question, ranted about eating pets half the time, talked about how big his rallies are, and yeah that was all he did.
So it’s expected from Trump. Kamala didn’t answer any questions either but for some reason is getting a pass. She is just regurgitating cheap slogans, what good is that?
If kamala didn’t win who did? Because it certainly wasn’t trump.
Imo they both sucked
If you had to say one of them won, who would you pick?
I don’t disagree that there wasn’t a ton of useful information in the debate, there was barely room for anyone to talk actual policy, but Harris came across as a rational human who at least pretended to care about others while Trump was a blabbering idiot.
She clearly and concisely responded the questions she was obviously going to be asked. You may disagree with the answers, or you may just not like politicians, but she was obviously prepared and professional.
Donald rambled, lied, and went off topic constantly. He spent more time talking about what Kamala said than his own policy. When he was pressed on policy he had unclear answers or dodged entirely (e.g. “concepts of a plan”).
He came across as unhinged, bordering on detached from reality, and he seemingly doesn’t have any plan or vision for the country, except that it definitely isn’t project 2025 (except it probably is). He was undeniably more interesting to watch, but not in a good way. Based purely on the debate from last night it’s not clear if he’s fit to lead a book club, let alone a nuclear superpower.
It was super effective. I am surprised he didn’t faint
Breaking a broken old man is just the purview for a black female cop.
I see what you did there.
Liberals should be careful with this. Y’all want them to feel like Trump did alright. We can’t have him being switched out at the 11th hour for a more competent candidate
Trump cannot drop out. As long as he’s alive, he’s running.
rfk jr was too late to withdraw for filing deadlines, I have no idea what would happen if trump withdrew. His only way out of this is to kill JD Vance and make it look like a democrat did it.
Trump would rather die than not be the center of attention. He’s a narcissist, not feeling like the center of attention literally feels like dying. His ego wouldn’t allow it. His fear of going to jail wouldn’t allow it. And the fact that the republican party would implode wouldn’t allow it.
The scary thing (for Republicans) is that their whole party is currently held together by hairspray, orange spray tan solution, and Depends diapers.
I don’t know. That might help accelerate the disintegration of the GOP.
But like others have said, if he’s alive he’s running.
That wouldn’t work. The idiots are voting for Trump not the Republican party. If they replaced him the idiots would see that as the Republicans betraying them. Then they would split the vote and write trumps name in anyway. Complete victory for Dems in that scenario
When Trump goes, the rest will tear each other to shreds. As insane as he is, he’s the figure who’s holding it together. Like a fat gormless toad sitting on a stone in the middle of the pond.
As an outsider to American politics, I predict a (temporary) collapse in support for the Republican party the minute he’s ousted.
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One thing I’ve come to believe is that the extended media reaction to a debate affects public opinion more than the debate itself. The media don’t quite dictate viewers’ judgments, but they shape and solidify them. And what this string of posts is making clear is that on the day after Donald Trump is still losing the debate. He’s probably going to try to stage some dramatic bullshit to derail this media train.
He’s going to eat a live dog to prove how hawrable it is.
You projected puppy crunching noises and fur-muffled trump gagging noises into my brain, and it was so vivid I felt it would be a shame not to share that imagery with you. <.<
Wouldn’t be surprised if he replaced Vance with RFK Jr now as that would kill discussion of the debate.
He arguably can’t.
He and vance are on the ballot. So is RFK, funny enough. Which is why RFK is trying to get off the ballot in swing states. The reason Biden could tag Kamala in is that the DNC had not actually chosen a candidate yet.
My suspicion is that an exception would be made rather than run into the mess of leaving republicans unelectable in states. But it would still be a giant shitshow and not in a good way.
This may be a cynical take, but it would still be Trump on the top of the ticket, and the media would be immediately distracted from his debate failure. He would most likely come out ahead in the end.
Absolutely. If the media outlets had decided that Trump won, then Trump won. Almost no one actually watched the debate. They only looked at “highlights” curated for them.
I mean, overnight numbers suggest it’s a second most watched TV event since Superbowl, but you’re not wrong in that people don’t necessarily pay attention or process it. Highlights are the part people grab onto and boy do we have a lot of good ones.
Do you have a link to the numbers, please? I’m curious if the international numbers are reported separately.
(Me and at least three other households I know watched it in Canada. My friend in VA did not, and hadn’t even heard about Fido til I mentioned it this afternoon.)
I would have but I’m getting conflicting numbers and supposedly the overnights aren’t as accurate. You’ve got the numbers from Neilson which were 67 million, that’s the latest guess.
And that usually excludes streaming, but I think it’s US (maybe Canada). Higher than the first debate, but oddly lower than 2020 (maybe cause of lockdown?). I think it’s missing a very sizable chunk from international and streaming, though. If I had to guess, it’s likely double. Hell, even Taylor Swift caught it streaming.
Thanks for the link!
I understand my very presence on lemmy makes me less representative of the mean but I was hooked from start to finish.
Very astute observation. I think the only thing I disagree with is that I personally think the media do to a large extent directly dictate viewers judgements. Which makes the rest of your points even more salient.
She should have mentioned his tiny little hands after shaking them - dude has such a LDE vibe, I bet he’d have lost his shit.
She’s more mature than to stoop down to his level and ridicule someone’s appearance or anything like that. The handshake was enough to get to him and plant that seed, a complete and total power move.
The moment I saw that handshake I was like “oh. Power move”. I think he even said “have fun” lol
I just saw a seasoned prosecutor taking control of the well. That’s what they do. Her facial expressions? That’s also prosecutor in action.
Loved it all but of course I’m biased…
She said her name to him, which was a nice move. He never said her name, or looked at her the entire time. That is actually weird, it’s like he knows if he does, he will freak
“We go high” is what got us into this mess. Remember Hilary? Democrats need to get off the idealistic high horse already and do what works.
You can absolutely play their game without getting mud on you.
Edit: Basically there are a ton of stupid people and if they can’t be convinced then they should be used
Did nobody notice the moment when he tried to silence her and added, ‘sound familiar’ to make some sexist remark about telling women to shut up? “I’m talking now, sound familiar?”
She said “I’m speaking” to shut up pence in the 2020 debate. That’s what he was referring to. Still he’s a dick.
It’s genuinely so amusing how badly that little dig backfired on him. I’ve seen other people also not realizing he was trying to riff on “I’m speaking”. The thing he failed to realize is that essentially any professional women that were watching have likely heard that kind of shit from an older man at some point in their career, and it makes him look like (more of) a complete asshole.
Also she wasn’t even really interrupting him. If you watch the clip, she was muted and he was easily heard over her. It wasn’t as if she was really steamrolling.
You can tell it got under his skin in 2020, and this was just a pathetic way to “get back” at her for being a woman who asserted herself in a debate.
He got the line wrong so even most who would recognize it didn’t and the “sound familiar?” didn’t make any sense.
