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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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VP maybe. Good attack dog. All I’m hearing from the actual left is “wwaaahhh this guy isn’t insane-left enough, we want the lunatic fringe!”. Ok, well…get running someone, don’t wait until half way through the primaries to sit there and whine and divide the party. (Yes, I know that is the point for some folks like CCP-shills and other bad actors, but ACTUAL leftist Americans should be acting and promoting NOW)
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I don’t think you understand the difference between left and right of center right
It’s unsurprising Newsom is leading, given all the media coverage he’s been given.
Anyway, any poll result now for 2028 is meaningless. A lot’s going to happen between now and then, and non-centrist candidates will probably emerge, and possibly do well.
It’s unsurprising Newsom is leading, given all the media coverage he’s been given.
He’s been earning it lately.
Blue MAGA fucking sucks and so do you.
lemmy.ml fucking sucks and so do you
After reading through the comments here, I’m no longer curious as to how we arrived at where we currently are. We’re an absolute mess! An embarrassingly arrogant and equally ignorant mess.
And while it’s true that our future remains uncertain, after reading through this thread, I’m not sure it’s a good idea that any of us hold on to any length of hope that this disaster will ever right itself again. That is, if it is to be believed that we are a microcosm of a larger collective.
It’s said, that hope is a luxury of those who have a choice. But we had a choice. And what did we do? We slept. We withheld votes in protest. We stayed home. We opted out. However it is presented- We made our choice.
And now here we are. Salivating at the chance to tear one another a new asshole while we marinade in the results of our inability to do the bare minimum to protect a nation’s democracy.
We didn’t just deserve this:
We earned it.
We had a choice between one monster, and another (there were other options, but both monsters fought to keep the non-monsters off the ballot). Sure, one monster was a bigger, meaner monster, but the other monster was still pretty damn evil. Maybe next time we should be allowed to pick someone that isn’t evil, for a change.
It will never cease to amaze me that people blame the voters for being disgusted with the candidates, rather than blaming the parties for choosing such awful candidates.
It will never cease to amaze me how so many people could expect things to change by doing absolutely nothing.
When given a choice between cancer and a broken bone, you pick the broken bone- every time.
But… now we have cancer- and this isn’t up for debate.
Do nothing??? Look at the DSA getting zohran mamdani into position over shoe-in and sex pest cuomo. Organise with others and dont vote newsom
I’ll vote for who I want to vote for, thanks. And for the record, that will be whoever has the best chance to dethrone trump. If that someone happens to be part of the DSA, so be it. I’ll have zero issues casing a vote their way. If it isn’t. I won’t lose sleep over it.
See?
This is the difference between people like you and I. I have no problem voting for whoever is the better candidate of the two- regardless of whether or not they align with my policies ideology. And had more of the people like you subscribed to this theory- we wouldn’t be where we are now.
Unless or course you’re all still touting the belief that Kamala would have been the exact same as Trump.
And had more of the people like you subscribed to this theory- we wouldn’t be where we are now.
What are you talking about, after bernie got ratfucked people rallied behind killary because she is (supposedly) the lesser evil and then got genocide joe. So they rallied behind genocide joe because supposedly he is the lesser evil and then got killemalla (and he was shuffled off not because of his genocide, but because he was bad tv). So they rallied behind killemalla because she was the supposed lesser evil and now the dems are focustesting gruesome newsom. Your theory is the one that has been the mainstream since 2016 and look where you are now.
The minute you said “gEnOciDe jOe” this discussion ended. I have no tolerance to entertain ignorance.
I have no tolerance to entertain ignorance.
It’s more likely bad faith tankie Stalinism. One of the chief features of Stalinism is that they view other leftists as their main enemy, not conservatives.
I have no problem voting for whoever is the better candidate of the two- regardless of whether or not they align with my policies ideology
You do realize the error with this utility calculation, right? A few more years of this style of “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” will have you voting for a Dem who wants 9 genocides over a republican who wants 10. You’ll find yourself voting for 2036 Dem candidate Ted Cruz as he runs against the republicans’ candidate of Mecha Hitler.
This strategy isn’t sustainable, and what you’ve shown is that there is no number of Palestinian children you wouldnt sacrifice to bide time for your crumbling oligarchy. At some point, we have a moral duty to the victims of our imperialism to simply dismantle our genocidal country.
At some point, we have a moral duty to the victims of our imperialism to simply dismantle our genocidal country
Is your genocidal country (A) Russia, or (B) China? Its hard to tell but we know that both countries have populations so stupid that they allowed dictators to steal their entire governments. We know that Chinese imperialists invaded Tibet to annex their territory and Russian imperialists invaded Ukraine to annex their territory and they do indeed have a moral duty to dismantle their governments.
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
Voters will die before they learn the lesson. Beating fascism is more important than getting a candidate who agrees with everything you want.
No. Fuck no. Hell the fuck no. He can keep doing his attack dog shit, that’s fine he IS NOT presidential material. He is not what this conversation ntry needs to fix the shit Republicans have deliberately broken.
So let’s say it does come down to Newsom v Vance. You really going to sit it out?
Yes. Will leave it blank until Dems put forward a candidate with proven policy
Rofl that’s so pathetic.
Yea, voting for candidates who support the same policies you do is pathetic… haha
I know blue maga has been gas lighting you your whole life…. But damn.
He can keep doing his attack dog shit
That is exactly the kind of person we need to win elections though.
No, we need someone who can actually get shit done. Not someone who is only good at performative shows.
#1 prereq to get shit done is to get elected.
Well that sure would be easier if Democrats kept their fingers off the scale when popular candidates show up.
Last I heard everybody gets one vote.
He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He’s getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He’s another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn’t Trump.
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can’t have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I’d much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
How about this time we do the right thing… There’s no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You’re speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
No I’m not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don’t swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you’re speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I’m fighting for me and my family. Do what’s right, not convenient.
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Sure, let’s elect a Reagan republican dressed up as a democrat who will spend his whole term trying to reach across the aisle.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom torched his own political party and said Democrats have to speak to Republicans — and reject cancel culture — if they want to win.
Screw that. I enjoy watching Newsom bicker with Trump just like I enjoy when the Lincoln Project mocks Trump. But the next democratic candidate needs to be an actual progressive that supports workers and the disadvantaged in our nation.
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
