Oh no
Anyways
I skimmed the headline too quickly when I saw “billionaire” and “panicked last call” then I thought she was somehow involved in insider trading for Tesla stock.
Dude! The poor woman was assassinated by Elon Musk and they had to drag her through the mud by mentioning that her sister is into bestiality and married with a turtle?
re-reads headline Oh she was a billionaire? Carry on, then 🤷
Billionaire Kryptonite recipe.
One part billionaire, one part Tesla, two parts billionaire tears. Shake well and douse with copious volumes of lake water. Chef’s kiss
When your Tesla is on fire, or sinking, you can play a fun little game called “Find the manual door release”
Wait…
…there isn’t one?
There is, you just have to find it while the car sinks or the flames spread. It’s not the normal button that a user might be accustomed to pushing to get out so they might not know where it is and finding it in time might be the difference between life and death. For front doors it’s usually a lever somewhere but in some model Ys and the cybertruck the rear door release is hidden. under a mat in the door recess.
This is horrifying. A manual window breaking device that is part of the interior of the car should be standard by now. It wouldn’t be that difficult to design. This is not a Tesla exclusive problem.
Doesn’t seem there’s a tool available for breaking laminated glass. Which is also terrifying but I do understand why the DOT mandated the switch.
In most cars I would say use the headrest, but my assumption on that the trasla.did something dumb to make those not useful either.
I never actually thought about this, but you’re right. Wtf isn’t this a standard, and part of saftey scores?
For some cars you can remove the head rest and use the metal prongs, but it’s still probably not as good as an actual purpose built punch.
Annnnnd I’m becoming a worse person cuz this put a smile on my face. Honestly it’s partially her fault for trusting Elon’s company.
Would you say that if they died in a Ford? Chevy? Honda?
I would still smile but I would not blame her for choosing a Honda. Tesla is special because Elon is special.
If anyone’s curious, it looks like you “hold the brake and swipe up” on a touchscreen area to go in drive, and “hold the brake and swipe down” to go into reverse.
So yeah, it’s not a physical shifter, though it seems pretty intuitive and simple. BUT if you’re in reverse and try to swipe up to drive(like you’d do during a 3 point turn) , you have no feedback aside from looking at the screen to let you know it actually registered your shift.
IMO this is another idiotic implementation at going cheap on physical controls or “being high tech fancy” that shouldn’t exist. It’s dumb to not have important functions give physical feedback while driving. I’m not laying most of the blame on tesla for this. It still sounds like she’s the one who really screwed herself, but I’d all but guarantee there’s going to be a lawsuit for this one, and rightly so. Fuck all this touch control crap in cars. It’s lousy enough just on the radios.
How’s that any different?
- My current Tesla has a stalk to click up/down to go into reverse/drive, but I always verify before taking my foot off the brake
- my Subaru had a physical shifter on the console to move forward or back to a specific selection , but I always verified by taking my foot off the brake
- I used to have a Pontiac with a shifter stalk on the steering wheel that I move to a specific selection, but I always verified before taking my foot off the brake
There’s over 300 people here who seem to agree with me. Then there’s you.
Even a button shift. Literally just a row of buttons, select your gear by pressing it. Reverse would be under a safety cover so you don’t hit it at 60mph.
Or, you just have logic in the car’s software that stops you from shifting to reverse over 5mph.
Don’t trust software. Just don’t. Software crashes planes. There’s no way car companies are programming better than plane companies. You can certainly have the feature, but a safety cover should also exist in such a configuration. There’s no reason, except shareholder primacy, to not include it.
Swiping up to drive is the same direction as tap up to reverse from a previous model Tesla. Kind of like how trackpads and mouse scroll wheels work in opposite directions. I can see how it’s not so intuitive if the direction contradicts 35 years of muscle memory.
That is the worst idea ever. When I drove a snow plow I would shift from forward to reverse and back hundreds of times a storm. Without taking my eyes off my surroundings.
It’s simple but it’s not easy, because it’s complex.
If there’s anything we’ve learned in human history of engineering and design it’s that complexity kills when relying on human nature to control.
But bro, you’ll save like $0.87 per car by not including a physical gearshifter. Won’t anyone think of the poor shareholders footing that bill.
Don’t forget the fancy electric door handles that stop working when you back into a pond.
There are emergency override handles, but not everyone knows where they are or how to use them, so they’re not all that useful in an emergency.
These deadly features are purely cosmetic, so I would lay a decent amount of blame is on tesla
Stupid cosmetic designs have been an issue for a long time. There was a theater fire in Chicago in the early 1900’s where a bunch of people died because they couldn’t figure out how to use the fancy door handles while panicking and being crushed by everyone trying to get out. That’s the reason why exit doors on buildings with a high occupancy are now required to swing out, and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you’re just falling on it.
If it’s possible that someone will need to use something while panicking, it needs to be as simple, intuitive, and failproof as possible
I volunteer Elon as a test monkey. Lock him in a tesla that’s underwater and have him “engineer” <cough> his ass out of it.
He’s gotta do time at his neuralink first
If it’s possible
It’s always “possible”. In fact, it’s inevitable that an accident or emergency will happen. They happen every day. It’s clearly Tesla’s fault for having terrible controls but what else is new?
That’s why we have dedicated first responders instead of just fire hoses everywhere. Many fires can be stopped with just some baking soda or a wet towel, but non-professionals can’t be trusted to act rationally in that situation.
I’d hope that this would institute federal rules for vehicle egress and drive controls. Even if it’s only because a Richie died.
Jeep was forced to recall their confusing shifters after one crushed that actor in his driveway.
But I can also see Elon being a fucking snowflake about it and trying to whine his way out of spending any inflated investor money fixing this problem.
… and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you’re just falling on it.
Crash bars
Wanted to chime in and clarify, the major issue there is you cannot operate a door handle in a crush, no matter how much of your senses you have. Can’t use a door handle if you can’t use your arms. Am drunk on the internet and hope this isn’t interpreted as a hostile reply.
But isn’t the point of crash bar locks that just the act of being crushed against the door will force it open? The only thing you have to do to open it is push on it or be pushed into it. Of course that won’t help you when you fall as the door swings open and get trampled, but it’s better than everyone burning to death.
Absolutely.
If I had my way, regulations would require a physical connection for all door handles, and not just that a secondary physical release be available. I don’t know how you would go about finding injuries associated with each design as a layperson, but I bet there’s a death or two associated with each novel design.
An old man roasted in his Cadillac XLR because the battery was dead and he didn’t know where the secondary release was. I think it’s under the seat on that car. I don’t care how cool that electronic door release was, or if the old man was negligent in not knowing his exits; it wasn’t worth his life.
This is why I liked driving the newer Army vehicles or well cared for Humvees. Everything was labeled. Anything important to not hit accidentally had a safety cover. And anything not obvious like an out of sight fire extinguisher has a high visibility sign pointing to it from your normal field of view.
Fuck fashion, give me cars that are comfortable and safe.
And let’s not forget that there are people who have flexibility issues that can’t reach under their seat in an emergency.
Or might have gained injuries during the accident preventing them from reaching.
The front driver and passenger emergency handles are so intuitively placed that every Tesla owner has to warn all their passengers not to use them.
The back is another story entirely if they even have them, but the front are fine.
Edit: I will grant people might forget after not using them for years in a moment of panic. But they know.
I love how they made the emergency door release a multi step process, which on some models recommended a flat head screwdriver or in others only is for the front doors.
A flat-head screwdriver for an emergency door O_o
How do these cars pass regulations?
When you regulate yourself, it’s easy to pass
The only regulations we have is that we’re not allowed to implement European safety features.
An exaggeration, but damn does it feel that way.
This would be at least the second time this “feature” has been tied to dying horribly.
These deadly features are purely cosmetic
No, electronic door handles are not cosmetic, they save a lot more lives than than they kill by people drowning or burning alive in their car because they are too stupid to read their cars manual.
Since you apparently do not know this, the purpose of electronic door handles is for the car to be able to lock you out from opening the door if there is a car or bicycle approaching from behind in your blind spot. That’s why you only see them in cars with blind spot radars
That being said, Teslas design is still terrible. In Audis the electronic door handle doubles up as the mechanical emergency door handle, you just need to pull on it harder than normal and it will engage the manual mechanism
So it needs to fail open then. Without a charge it should fail into a position it can be opened or actually open itself.
This is not a new issue. Failure engineering has been around for a long time.
Bro, you dont need electronc door-handles to have electronic locks,
they save a lot more lives than than they kill
Do they? Can you provide any examples?
the purpose of electronic door handles is for the car to be able to lock you out from opening the door if there is a car or bicycle approaching from behind in your blind spot.
Seems like they created a lot of unnecessary risk to alleviate a relatively minor problem.
Anton Yelchin was also done in by a not too dissimilar feature. The gear shift of his vehicle returned to a “neutral position” after shifting so unless you looked at the letter indicator you may not realize what gear you’re in.
That’s however not a good comparison because you still have a physical “way” of feeling where you are shifting to. I never had an issue with shifters that return to neutral, even in very high stress situations.
Touch controls are however a very different thing, because you have absolutely no indication if you actually shifted or not.
In fact, Ive had various cars now with return to neutral shifters - the new Mazda CX-60/70/80/90 don’t have this and I happend to shift in neutral, simply resting my hand on the shifter…
My prius is like this and every once in a while if I let of the brake a touch to soon while I shift it won’t register going from drive to reverse, or the other way around. It’s annoying, but something I’m aware of. Something that never happens with a physical shifter.
I’m curious. In what situations do shifters need to return to neutral? Like, at a stop? Or when you open the door? Why neutral and not park, for example? Or is park also neutral in EV lingo?
“Return to neutral” does not mean neutral gear in this context. If you shift an old Prius into Drive, the shifter knob snaps back to the center of the jig, which is a neutral position for it to be in. It doesn’t stay in the Drive slot while the car is in Drive. You can probably find photos or videos of this out there somewhere.
Edit: I understand it better. Thanks. Yeah, I think that can be annoying too. You have to pay attention to the knob in order to know which gear you are in, and when it lands where you want it to land. I guess new drivers would be more comfortable with that.
Thanks for the explanation!
Thanks, but that doesn’t sound like the OP is describing, though. You’re saying that in the old Prius, you put the car in Drive and it will stay in Drive. Whereas OP seems to be implying that they put it in Drive, and then the car switched to Neutral (not Drive anymore.) Otherwise, why would anyone be annoyed by that?
I have the same annoyance with my prius. It’s a physical shifter you move, but it electronically shifts and the shifter always goes back to the same spot. If I try shifting in a hurry it won’t register every so often.
Shout out to water.
Water: Killing more billionaires than anything else in recent memory.
I mean one less billionaire is probably a benefit to society but I’m sure the vast majority of her wealth stayed within the family. Likely it just made some rich people even richer.
So you’re saying the whole family needs to go? Got it.
It was cold out, so she decided to take her Tesla Model X SUV for the four-minute drive rather than walk.
It says everything.
A four-minute drive is like a 20-minute walk. If it was really that cold, I may have done the same thing.
The way you portray it, “it says everything,” is not fair - and yes, I know we’re talking about a billionaire. Like, she deserved to die because she didn’t want to walk in the cold.
Her death shouldn’t have happened the way it did. And again, yes, I know she’s a billionaire, fuck billionaires, etc etc. But her mistake was not being careful while driving, and potentially the car not being safe enough (e.g. doors jam-locked?)
I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t be praising people’s deaths, but I want to point out the cold part
Texas Hill Country loosely covers an area around Fredricksburg Texas with San Antonio and Austin being just on the outskirts. Looking back at the weather reports, and not knowing the exact location, the temperature on 2/10 was a low of 45-65 degrees F. Considering the lows typically come in in the late hours of the night the more realistic temperature was somewhere between 50-75 degrees F.
Also, you can see the picture of the ranch in the article which also says it’s a 900 acre ranch. 900 acres is only 1.4 sq miles. It’s one thing to say a 4 min drive at 35 mph vs walking, but realistically it’s a lot slower speed and thus a lot shorter walk.
Point taken, but regardless, it still doesn’t merit some rando say “Driving instead of walking because it’s cold? It says everything - NO WONDER she died!!!” It’s a silly thing to conclude.
Absolutely agree
Yes, if it’s cold, I will often make a 4-minute drive instead of walking 20 minutes from my guest house to my main house on my own property. It’s so relatable to most Americans!
You just want to bash billionaires, and I’ve already addressed that in my original comment. If you don’t want to understand my point, that’s on you. Stop with the strawman arguments.
Ooh, we got ourselves a mind reader, folks!
Cold, in Texas? I mean, I’m sure it gets cold, but it’s not Canada and people go on 20min walks in the dead of winter with their dogs there. Awful way to die, no question.
Oh I understand. But it’s all about perspective.
Someone living in Siberia may say “cold in Canada? Silly geese.”
I come from a tropical climate in which people wear jackets when it’s 21 C (31 C being the average all year round.) In my mind, 21 degrees Celsius (about 68 F I think) was damn cold.
Of course, I now laugh about that.
But I won’t judge her for not wanting to be cold and using a maybe seemingly reasonable way to do that.
My first trip to Florida from Ohio I was on a tour at Kennedy Space Center. When I got there I noticed all the people in jackets, it was 65F, I was perplexed. Now the opposite is also true, I hate weather over 80F, too dang hot.
See that’s why living in Arizona is so much fun. There’s some park ranger in Death Valley but what’s the odds on running into them online?
Lol! That was funny :)
But anyway, Arizona can have cold snaps, right? Like 32 F at night in January? I know New Mexico and Texas do.
But that rarely happens at sea level in an actual tropical region, near the equator.
You should look at Northern Arizona. Southern Arizona is really hot and then Northern Arizona is high plains that can rival Canada for snow every few years. (Fun fact, when they were wondering where all the snow was for the Vancouver Olympics? It was in Arizona, we stole it fair and square!)
…I have places that are 5 minute drives from my house. Do you think I take 40 minute strolls each time I want to visit one?
It’s 100% Tesla’s fault. Mechanical way to open doors is not obvious and hidden, sometimes all together missing. And car relies on power to open the door, which runs out when submerged. Shit car with shit ideas. There’s a reason why windows easily shatter on cars and Musk and his cult followers seem to think getting out of car in case of emergency is less important than sounding cool.
I bet her car didn’t have a shifting stalk. New Model X makes you shift using the touchscreen. I knew that idea sounded unsafe but holy moly.
What?
Swiping up to drive is the same direction as tap up to reverse from a previous model Tesla. Kind of like how trackpads and mouse scroll wheels work in opposite directions. I can see how it’s not so intuitive if the direction contradicts 35 years of muscle memory.
The pressure of the water against the door would’ve prevented her from opening it regardless of the door’s mechanical features or power supply issues.
The windows not shattering is absolutely a Tesla design flaw, but there’s no way that woman was ever going to open a door from inside a submerged car.
Pressure takes a while to build up and you generally can open the door before car sinks enough, it’s been tested. But even if you had to wait for car to fill with water, pressure would equalize then and you’d have no issues opening the door. Of course, you need to keep calm to use all of those tricks but car taking them away from you just increases risk of something like that happening.
That’s wouldn’t be a factor once the water entered the car. The pressure equalises if there water is on both side of the door.
True, but there’s some more.
Over here, ice roads are opened on typical winters on several smaller bays. The instruction to drivers is:
- don’t wear a seatbelt
- if ice breaks, open your door swiftly (get out first, then think about calling people)
- if you can’t open the door, lower your window swiftly
- if you can’t lower the window, break it (the side window, not the windshield - a windshield is multilayer laminate, too strong to break quickly)
Typically, if a car sinks on an ice road, people are likely to get out. A crank-operated window is handy in such a case. But regardless of instruction, sometimes folks do die. :(
In general, I would not like to experience any sort of extreme incident in an over-engineered car. I’d prefer something from the 1970-ties, but with airbags.
Okay but a door that just works is going to be easier to get open before water pressure makes that impossible. Also, once there’s enough water in the car, a mechanical door will open just fine. At which point you swim for it in the opposite direction the car is moving.
Oh no
Anyway, I’m going to Vegas later this week to get messy with my friends for my 40th. Anyone have any recommendations for places to hit?
Anyone have any recommendations for places to hit?
There are probably a few billionaires in Vegas… hit them. The messier you make it, the stronger the message.
Ooh, good call. Too bad I’m not renting a car. How much do you think Uber will charge for the service?
Isn’t the tesla underground deathtrap in vegas?
It is!
Check out Omega Mart at Area 15
Yep! Have tickets for that already. Very excited.
“Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit’ll come back with you.”
Stromboli at 4 kegs.
Super sketch building and parking lot.
Red vinyl booths and decor not updated since Elvis was a teenager truck driver.
Bartenders who’ve seen the hard times.
Open 24/7
Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
High likelihood of hepatitis A, B, C and as of yet unknown variants
And the best fucking stromboli this side of the Gambino family
Also, your first stop out of the Vegas airport should always be for early morning drinks at the Double Down Saloon. I’ll let you figure out that that gem of a property on your own.
Why would you ever pay to drink in Vegas? Head immediately to the Rite Aid and get alcohol like everyone else. Or go to any sports betting section in a casino. Drinks are free.
Golden Tiki is an excellent bar. That whole area has great food too.
And if you know anything about Meow Wolf, their third location is a short ride away. It’s called Omega Mart. It’s fine to go in drunk but it’s better to start sober and get drinks at their bar.
This is hilarious. More plz.
Have some humanity. I fucking hate Mitch and the GOP as much as anyone, but this seems like nothing more than a tragic accident. The woman had a family and Im grieving their loss. This sucks all around.
Have some humanity.
…billionaires dying is like the single best thing that can happen to humanity. More plz.
If you could push a button and get $1 million but a random person dies, would you push it? Billionaires are pushing that button all day every day, a many times as they possibly can
Exactly.
I would not push such a button.
I don’t think the kids who just miss their mom this morning are undeserving of my empathy no matter how much money the mom had. I can’t just turn off how I feel about this. I am sorry I made so many here angry though.
Im grieving their loss
That’s seems odd for someone you don’t know or care about at all.
I don’t know why, but it’s easy for me to imagine a person out there just grieving the loss of their mom this morning, and in turn imagining how I might feel in their shoes. It feels bad, and my heart does go out to them.
I am sorry that I made so many people here angry, but I can’t turn off how I feel about it. i stand by it.
I don’t think anyone is angry towards you. You can put yourself in their shoes but grieving is a pretty personal experience, usually because it’s someone you knew.
That’s what empathy is.
It’s an example of empathy but not what it is.
No. These people have absolutely no qualms about sacrificing peons like us by the millions if it makes them a few dollars more. I will not mourn human dragons, I will instead revel in their demise and scream it from the rooftops.
True, they were ready to send us all back to work at the start of the pandemic, no matter how many of us died or had family members killed.
As seen in Isreal and the pandemic response. $$$$ is worth more than the life of minions to them. Humanity is better off without that scum.
She’s a fucking billionaire that spends holidays with Mitch McConnell.
No one she knows gives a single fuck about you or anyone you know.
And they’re actively hurting millions of people without a second thought.
Don’t waste your pity on someone like this
To be fair, the plea was for humanity, not billionairity. At some point this person was an infant and we’d protect and care about her then.
Yes, the inequality is atrocious and her party is cruel and ruthless about expanding it, but therein lies the catch - we’re all gonna go some day. Right? Literally at the end of it we’re all the same in that regard. (cryogenicists and brain-in-a-computer people to the left)
So I think it’s a crazy and sad story, I feel bad for the human, but the larger metaphor is ok to be temporarily amused by, imho. Y’know the problem with the French Revolution was they got really into beheading people. Children, pets, etc. Like, way more than anyone should, “even though” etc. Because if we lose that humanity we’re worse off than we are now, right?
Anyway, don’t sweat the downvotes, humanity person. It’s just people being mad about billionaires, and who isn’t?
Fuck no, zero sympathy for billionaires.
Still , it’s not something I’d be comfortable laughing about.
Meme authors are sure to help you with that; sit tight, they usually roll out pretty quick!
Wow this thread is a straight condemnation of Lemmy’s high-horse. It’s wild that the comment above yours is neutralized on votes and yours is so far in the negative. What did you do that was so worthy of condemnation? Express concern for another human being’s family.
Of course, people here will tell you that billionaires discount lives on daily even while they discount the lives of the loved ones of this woman. Were all of them billionaires? Perhaps. Regardless of the size of their pockets we do know that they are human.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it’s like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It’s incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You’re right to be concerned for the well-being of others, and I believe I’m right to be concerned about the company we’re keeping here. It’s seemingly a group of people that will dismiss the death of someone wealthy, even while they assume the wealthy will dismiss the death of the poor. I wouldn’t say it’s entirely incorrect even though it’s just as morally bankrupt.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it’s like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It’s incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You seem to have attributed feelings of people here to one side or the other, how and why? Do you have a record of how each person leans politically?
So much online discourse I’ve seen on here is just the same as Reddit. Stripping the humanity of people you don’t like. It’s just tribalist, cringey, and narcissistic.
Not really; did you grieve for people you heard of dying in the news the other day? Grieving isn’t just being sad for a brief moment then moving on with your day.
It’s okay. I realize lots of people are suffering and as a result tensions are high. I didn’t mean to make everyone so angry and I realize my initial comment of ‘have some humanity’ was to harsh. I’m sorry I made so many people angry with this.
I do feel bad for the people that loved this woman regardless of how much money she has. I don’t wish that pain on anyone.
Your empathy for unempathetic people is depressing. Stand up for yourself better.
Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me. I don’t want to be the kind of person that “turns off” empathy at will.
Fair enough. It’s just my opinion. 💜
This is hilariously stupid, like genuinely ask yourself how Rage Against the Machine would feel about a billionaire dying.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
I mean, fuck billionaires in any sense that actually matters. They shouldn’t get to hoard wealth while real people can’t afford housing, medical care, etc. At the same time, I refuse to laugh at a human being drowning to death. Literally nobody deserves that. I’m also morally opposed to the death penalty.
Maybe I’m just not hardcore enough.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
You quoted them so, maybe?
I fail to see how not having a modicum of empathy for this person’s family after their horrific death qualifies as “standing up for myself,” but do feel free to explain this worldview in detail.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family. Therefor you are defending and standing up for someone who would trash you. It’s just sad to watch from the outside is all.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family.
Even if this were true, are we to assume the same of this woman’s grandchildren? Her distant family?
Regardless, I fail to see the need to laugh at a terrible death, and that is certainly not standing up for anyone’s moral compass but my own.The sad state of affairs here is how far you and others like you are removed from your humanity.
I don’t recall saying you should laugh. I recall saying you shouldn’t have empathy.
Empathy is not the opposite of standing up for yourself, though thinking so does explain a hell of a lot of leftist politics these days.
Depends on the context of the situation in my opinion but I understand where you are coming from. I’ve found if someone has no empathy for me. I should not return the favor to them as they’ve shown their hand. Does that make me spiteful? Probably. But I really love the quote. “Listen when someone tells you who they are”. As you can tell I’m callous and don’t have empathy for billionaires or ultra rich.
They didn’t say it was, that’s a logical fallacy.
🎉
More dead billionaires pls!
Preferably at the hands of the billions of people who suffer every day because of those evil fucks.
I’ll take the occasional billionaire freak accident death when we’re blessed with one, but we’re WAY overdue for guillotine day.
