the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
Lmao that’s kinda funny response though
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free,
I never said otherwise.
Okay.
Pretty sure that was a joke…
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that requirement more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
Sorry it’s very rare to cause the least of the issues on that list, must mean they don’t have a point.
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these affects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance. The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
More info on this here:
I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
Vasectomy gang 😎😎✂️✂️ All juice no seeds
I’m worried about pain. Also pain lasting a long/ permanent time.
Also I had epididymitis already. So maybe I shouldn’t go for it.
But too many guys get lied to and end up with a kid they didn’t want. That’s my biggest worry.
The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible with very few exceptions.
Exactly, one of the best decisions I ever made
Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
That’s kinda the point
Also why it isn’t a replacement for birth control.
There’s actually a pretty high success rate for surgical reversal. Some clinics hitting 90%. Still, not ideal.
Yeah, but how available are those clinics to the average person? I’ve never looked into it personally, but I assume travel is necessary and costs are out of pocket.
Absolutely a correct take, I’d say. I know that my insurance would cover it but this is the first time that I’ve EVER had insurance that would touch anything related to fertility (beyond female birth control) with a 10ft pole. I’d say that it’s fair to say that the average person in the US does not have access, mainly due to the awful level of “normal” for healthcare accessibility.
I’ve looked into it recently, myself. I wanted to see if the snip was an option due to how hormonal birth control impacts by wife. With the desire to still have kids at some point, it’s not a sure enough thing currently and is not recommended for people like me (“if you’re looking into reversibility, it’s probably not for you”). When I last looked a decade ago, success rates were topping out around 60-70%. Advances in surgical technique and technology have really improved things though. If only something like vasalgel would actually see availability - I’m not confident though, after two decades of failure.
Successful reversal meaning they managed to glue the tubes back together. Successful pregnancies are significantly lower afaik
I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
You’re missing the delicious smoke!
I had a GP named Richard Cutter.
How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.
No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.
Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.
I did the thing on ibuprofen. Your guys get serious pain medication for that?
Maybe my surgeon sucked, because it was definitely not an ibuprofen situation.
Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).
Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge
The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations
Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.
I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.
Pretty quick.
My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).
Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.
Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.
PSA: you can disconnect the plumbing and avoid this altogether.
Male self control breakthrough keeps their dick in their pants and don’t have sex for a while. Try it some time, it’s fantastic.
I tried it, but when I’m around your mom, she keeps begging for it!
Oh, I’m way ahead of them there, with 44 years of shitty diet and lifestyle choices.
I’ve been ingesting mirco plastics on purpose to avoid having children!
It seems to be working. They found microplastic in every testicle in their study
you should be ingesting macroplastics if you want real results
And moments after its efficacy was proven, Louisiana banned it.
Everyone brace yourself! The Christians are looking for Bible quotes right now!
It is God who ridicules them, and leaves them bewildered in their transgression.
Hail Satan
I’ve only ever read the first couple chapters of The Book of Armaments.
If altar boys could get pregnant, the church would have approved birth control long ago.
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Birth control was always prohibited im Christianity (at least Catholics, the ones I know the most about), from condom to pills to IUD, this won’t change it.
Any christian that is against one kind of birth control but in ok with other is just freestyling dogmas
Catholics yes, Protestant no. Both are Christianity. You need to read more, or at least watch some Monty Python.
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I’d love to switch between shooting blanks and livefire on-demand.
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
Me still waiting on Vasalgel after 2 decades.
Pharmaceutical companies just aren’t interested in it.
can’t wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn’t just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.
Hahahaaa I’m just waiting for Plan A honestly. It’s a 10 year injection that is 100% effective. With blocking sperm but allowing everything else.
Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
I will say this as often as I can, getting the ol snip snip was the best decision I’ve ever made.
Who doesn’t love cream pies!?!?!?!
Do you have kids or did you never want them?
Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We’ve been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn’t need any more surprises.
The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, “It only takes 15 minutes??” and he responded, “Eight.”
I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain’t in no rush, doc.
Recovery was super chill. Couldn’t roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that’s about it. I’ve got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that’s fun. I’m basically Wolverine.
Agreed. I have zero regret.
Written by someone who has never had to pay child support.
Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support
They said Physiological not Psychological. There’s a considerable difference between those two words.
The letters I and C?
I meant their meanings, rather than their spellings lol.
My bad, I can’t read 🤦
Have you ever had a toddler hit you over the head with a plastic bat? There IS physical risk in raising a child.
Upvoting the edit
She would still have to either trust him or take birth control herself as well.
Is any birth control really trust free?
Get a vasectomy, it’s pretty close
The other party still has to trust that you actually got it and all the rest of the sperm have passed.
Lab tested and certified baby, I’d put it on my resume if that wasn’t weird
Would have to add some cryptography to that certificate to make it trustless.
New cryptocurrency in 3… 2…
I was just thinking about good old fashioned PGP lol.
The only thing that works is abstinence. It’s like handling a gun. Don’t put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you’re ready for kids.
Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it’s true.
Worked for me, turned gay. Five stars/zero kids.
Keep trying! You’ll get his ass gregnant one day if you try hard enough!
or girl’s ass, I’m not sure which kinda gay you are!
Worked for me. Still don’t have kind
I know it puts me at odds with probably every sex ed curriculum, but I don’t think abstinence counts as birth control because it’s not coitus that risks pregnancy. It’s like saying ice skating is birth control.
Be me
Condom. You can see that it’s there. Closest you can get.
It is pretty easy to tamper with a condom in invisible ways, from poking holes or letting it expire, to stealthing. Hell, you can even cook the condom at low heat for a while in its package and you will cause significant structural damage to it, without even bruising most packaging.
Even a freshly bought condom and a little sleight of hand can go a long way into tampering. No birth control is trust free.
You’re always supposed to use multiple methods regardless.
Pullout game strong af. Using it for years.
Having said that, I don’t recommend it.
It’s been working for my wife and I for five years, but it’s a low risk situation for us since we could handle another kid if I ever had a whoopsie daisy.
It’s good that you also weigh the risk against your ability to raise another one. That’s the true responsibility right there. Unprotected sex I feel is only ever irresponsible if you run a risk of infecting someone or making a baby that you don’t want to or can’t raise properly.
I wish you and your wife the best in your lives together. ❤️
What’s pullout
Nobody here seens to have answered it so:
The pull-out “method” is when a person pulls their penis out of a vagina before they ejaculate. It’s not effective because you can’t be sure you’ve timed it right and some sperm can still escape before ejacualtion. It’s a shitty “method”. Don’t use it like the idiot above.
I take offense to you calling me an idiot. That’s not fair. I have extremely good ejaculation control. But I still obviously don’t recommend this to anyone else. It’s a shitty method if you leak a little bit during sexual activity, too, which I never do.
Do note that we often time sex to low fertility sectors in the menstrual cycle.
Again. Do not use this method. (But no need to hate on someone it does work well for, wtf.)
Alright thanks for the response !
It’s a type of couch/sofa that turns into a bed
And we wonder why teen pregnancy is such a problem.
Oh my dear child ❤️
Ironically, in the hands of an experienced practitioner, the pullout method is very effective at preventing pregnancy.
The problem comes when it’s a kid trying it for the first time having sex, or someone not in full control of their facilities towards the end of sex. Easy to get caught up and “forget” if you’re having a good time.
Yeah, that’s me. I have extremely good ejaculation control and know myself very well at the end of sex. Like, I’ve been using it for like 20 years. And the two times I actually wanted to make children we became pregnant immediately, so we are both very fertile. So I know it’s working well.
But as you say, you have to be experienced to trust it. It was more scary in the beginning.
If it flies, look for a huge spike in stds
Huge spikes in STD’s is already happening due to other factors
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/sti-increase-syphilis-cases-spike-74-in-four-years
Wear a rubber kids. No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.
Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside
Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.
I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.
No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
Oh whyyyyy why have you done this to me…
There were bug chasers during the pandemic, too. >_>
