Bury me with my backlog.
He died doing what he loved more, creating more backlog.
And browser history
Nah we deleting that and then denying it
I have reached a place where I genuinely don’t care about anyone seeing my browser history.
FBI: “Mr. JoMiran, did you spend an hour browsing through Peggy Hill cosmic horror hentai?”
Me: “Meh. I found most of the tentacle detail work lacking and the exaggerated breast size off-putting.”
Oh I didn’t own my steam account it was created for my future children. it’s a trust.
Lol. That’s hilarious. But unfortunately you never owned the games in the first place. You rented the privilege to play the game for life?..life of the rental company or your life only? Oh man, we gotta go thru the small print on this.
I understand for the life of the company. But it’s not even my steam account. It’s my child’s who’s currently -5 years old (give or take). I did create it on their behalf a decade ago to redeem the free games on their behalf and gift them games I think they’ll enjoy.
The small print just says “lol gottem”
For the life of the trust. Could span generations.
“Add to Cart”, “Continue Shopping”, “Purchase for myself”, “Purchase as a gift”, “Purchase”.
Who knows, one day a court may find these terms could lead people into believing they’re buying a game and force some companies to allow us to to trade or resell them (an EU court most probably).
“yes, you made a purchase. But what you purchased were tickets. Tickets to specific rides at a theme park. You did not buy the rides. You bought tickets for the rides. Those tickets are valid for your personal use. If you are not the one using them, they are not to be used.” –Their argument in court probably.
You can resell Windows CD keys legally in the EU as the courts rejected the “only for you” part of the argument: invalidating that part of the EULA. I probably have the right to resell my Steam game tickets.
Purchased should mean what it means for other things like cars or apples…you get a copy of an apple via a purchase and you are guaranteed to be able to use that apple in any manner you please. So for example, you could eat it, ferment it, store it in resin for posterity and for future humans to recreate it. There aren’t any limits to a purchase. So I agree, maybe we need ask the supremes of the supreme court if purchasing means different things. So if I purchase sex from a prostitute legally in Las Vegas, does that prostitute need to specifically state what activities I will own? Or if I go to Costco and buy a fried chicken, does Costco need to specifically state that the chicken is not just a rental but a final exchange between you and Costco, money for dead poultry. More relatable, a screw driver from home Depot, that thing will last a few uses, so do you still own it if home Depot goes down? Can you still rotate screws with it?
Software can be both a product and a service:
- it’s a product when running on my computer (i.e. the game)
- it’s a service when running on their computer (i.e. providing the hosting/downloading, multiplayer client-server hosting).
The issue preventing one practically enacting on software is that copyright defaults to preventing you redistributing it, and you need the source code to be able to modify (fully). Thankfully some games are free software/open source when you can act on your ownership.So that should be “I purchased a game” when you got a detached product that is functional forever… unless the makers make a deal with Microsoft to fuck it up on the next illegally forced update or with Nvidia to change the next card such that it is unplayable.
And it should be “I purchased…I subscribed to this online game” when you know that shit is not yours, so don’t expect it to last.
What Stream support have sent that person is probably an accurate representation of what happens when you apply their policies as written. Write another article if they are seen enforcing it.
Luckily, SteamDRM is usually easy to bypass, so if that happens one could prepare accordingly.
These days a will should include documentation of logins. No need to bypass Steam DRM when my relatives have my phone’s PIN and email credentials to just access all games. Pretty sure my local laws cover digital inheritance.
Yeah, my point was, if they do try to enforce their policies, we could probably find a way to work around it. It’s probably cheaper and easier than for your heirs to test those digital inheritance laws in court.
The difference is that your Steam account is probably holding thousands of dollars in value while your pirated copies of Steam games are worth nothing. And presumably that whichever of your grandchildren gets nerdy gran’s stash will likely not care to reverse engineer your warez archives just to play Bioshock again in 2075.
It’s not about access to the games, it’s about whether you own what you buy.
I personally don’t value them differently, but I see your point.
The wonky ownership of these games is actually the reason I’ve been pretty much exclusively buying stuff on GoG for a few years. I don’t know their stance on inheritance, but at least the hypothetical grandchild won’t need perpetual access to the account to keep playing the games.
In the end, clear legislation is kinda the only thing that can resolve this mess.
Imagine if it said “Epic” instead of “Steam” in the headline.
No one give af cuz Epic sucks?
Exactly what I was thinking, people would be mad as hell. Heck, a few months ago I made someone realize they didn’t own their games on Steam because they were complaining about Epic and it blew their fucking mind.
There are two and only two things that makes Epic Games a pariah.
(1)Exclusive content on PC should be shunned so hard that it’s not even a fucking option. You can explain away exclusively on PS3 because of its unique hardware, but it’s just a naked monopolistic power grab on PC.
(2) Epic game store sucks on every level. It’s a pigs 3 week old rotting corpse compared to Valve’s packaged ham.
Whew, that’s much better. I’ve always avoided the Epic store like the plague so nothing lost!
Why is there even a debate about this? You need emulators to play 10 year old games, maybe twenty. In 60 years you’ll need who knows what to be able to play it. The question is whether people will want play them at all. There might be a VR with anally plugged interface which would lack support for hand controllers.
Give your kids your passwords, folks
Between my birthday of 1/1/1901 and unlicensed game inheritance, shit is going to go down in the next 50 years. We’ll have AI legal reps for powerful firms requesting a statement of all software licenses by the deceased, challenging them, and then having a court order the rest null.
I hate that I will be right about that.
Gotta have kids for that
New tinder bio: “need a woman to birth me a child that will inherit my Steam account on the day of my demise”
Better yet: “… on the day of my inevitable demise.”
Sounds more dramaticWe’re all gonna die so it’s still a very much true statement
And I agree, much more dramatic
Will valve allow accounts to exist indefinitely? Will they create an expiration policy, like accounts being closed after 100 years
Steam isn’t going to exist until you die anyway. At some point they will exitscam
So is a flat rate life rental rather than a purchase, the nth stuff that is not of your property but a concession…
Does this apply to developer accounts? Because if so this would be dumb as fuck.
Does steamworks not have a notion of a parent organization or enterprise? That’s what most other design and development tools do.
If someone leaves, the parent enterprise remains, and new people can be added to the enterprise and can be granted rights over the content.
I’d argue that it’s dumb as fuck either way.
Sounds ripe for a legal challenge, but neo-ownership of digital-goods is already so fragile.
digital goods are more like a service at this point. not really property
True for digital goods THEY are supposed to own, but also consider how dominated we are with OUR digital property. I have witnessed how readily tech giants will abuse their position, abuse the power of defaults, weaponize psychology, and feign deletion… even against my lowly grandma. They think nothing of effectively stealing one’s digital photos, using them for their own purposes, and giving them to the police, so they can destroy your life and your dog.
it’s all legal, because you sign it all away. you have to in order to use the service
All I have to do is leave the username and password to my steam account and email address to someone else in my will. 🤦♂️
Shhh take your sensible nonsense somewhere else, we want outrage and shitting on everything here
Having a workaround doesn’t mean there’s no problem
I really feel like this won’t/can’t be enforced.
Just because it is wrong and obviously contradictory to other established precedents doesn’t at this point mean that it won’t be enforced unfortunately.
I get that, but that’s just the vibe Valve has to me.
Valve is a business, they don’t give a shit about vibes, when Valve gets sold off and it will one day (probably sooner than we expect) none of these “vibes” or “culture” are going to matter one single tiny little bit.
That is the point of this whole system, we receive assurances up down left right and in every which direction that entities like Valve won’t be ripped up and destroyed by venture capital, private equity, or whatever the fuck the current grift the 1% has us in… and they are empty promises by design.
A company is not legally defined as the will of its creator/creators, rather the labor and particular genius of a company’s workers is purposefully rationalized into a structure that we are supposed to accept is fundamentally designed to be ripped from our hands brutally because “that is just how the adult world works, shut up and get back to work”.
Justification of unnecessary violence and destruction is one of the primary products of the system.
Less about enforcement than ease of transfer. If I’ve got a Steam account and you’ve got a Steam account and I die, Steam won’t let you transfer the licenses from my account to yours. You just have to maintain two independent accounts now - accounts with 2-factor authentication that you also have to maintain (so second cell numbers and emails, etc).
Steam will simply let the administrative burden of juggling extra accounts take these licenses out of the pool.
This. It’s absolutely already enforced. Valve simply will do nothing to enable access to a relative that comes asking and most of the currently existing accounts will just fade into the ether because in most cases relatives aren’t going to be particularly worried about recovering game accounts of all things when somebody passes away.
Your Steam games will go to the grave with you
Just like my porn!
GOG
Sucks for your kids
I’d like to see them try stopping me giving my kids my password.
