https://x.com/i/status/1948211079001051267
The GOP chair was caught off guard and scrambled—first delaying the vote, then trying to sabotage it by adding amendments to include Biden administration communications. Democrats called their bluff and agreed.
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED until Rep. Robert Garcia forced a full roll call vote.
Ultimately, the vote passed 8-2 after 3 Republicans DEFIED their leadership and joined all 5 Democrats to pass the motion.
Too soon to say but spine growth in the dems?
They ate their Wheaties this morning. Tomorrow, back to Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Please don’t disparage the good name of CTC. Those are my favorite, and I can confirm I have bones.
Real human ones? In your freezer?
I have lots of things. Don’t worry about it.
Did you hand-stuff all those cats, too? It’s that why they’re arranged in chronological order? To demonstrate your skill progress in the pastime? Just curious.
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? Can’t a guy engage in some casual taxidermy without getting the third degree?
I mean, clearly if the Inquisition were involved, that would be a surprise for everyone, but especially them.
Had you found this hobby in their era and locality, you actually might’ve contributed to the onset of The Black Plague, simply by killing cats to feed your
needtalent.Good thing you’re a late boomer?🤘🏼
nah, opportunistic as ever. Main goal here is to stick it to republicans not some “principles”
They think the Epstein thing might actually stick this time. They’re trying to use that as best they can. Any party would do that
It might be a strong move for once though. Time will tell.
I’m going to ask a honest question because I don’t know the answer. If Trump’s name is on the list, why didn’t Dems release it when Biden was in office? Yes I know that’s a question the right has been asking but I don’t know the answer to it.
Because I don’t care who’s on the list, Republican or Dem. They all deserve prison
Apparently it was under seal by the courts while Ghilaine was on trial, and only became unsealed in Biden’s literal last week in the presidency. And he was trying to do a bunch of things at that time, especially with Ukraine and Israel.
Not sure if Biden/dems have given a reasom yet. I believe, typically, the official reason they keep this files secret is they may still intend to take legal action in the future.
Unofficially, Biden’s AG Merrick Garland really did not go hard against Trump. They let him get away with an attempted coup, not sure if that was at Biden’s request or if Garland persuaded him not to.
Farfetched theory on my part but Biden really tried not to stir the waters, I feel, to avoid a civil war.
My cynical ass thinks Biden didn’t want to set precedence that the rich / president can be held accountable. He naively thought Trump is done anyway, let’s just go back to the status quo and not bother with real consequences for the rich.
Because Biden respected the law. The Epstein files were sealed by a judge until after Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of this year. Biden, by law, couldn’t release the files.
Can’t we just celebrate a win for once without saying they’re not doing enough? This is a good thing any way you look at it.
I think it’s hard to take the DNC seriously when they still let Chuck Shumer drone people to sleep, I mean, speak for the party.
They’ve snubbed their own party’s progressive caucus for brain dead geriatrics.
Their leadership has blatantly benefited from insider trading and social welfare while failing to achieve those policies for their constituents.
Every day the DNC looks more and more like a broken clock that’s only only right when it’s 2 minutes to midnight.
They really, really, don’t deserve applause at this point. They deserve to be replaced.
Hell yeah brother, say it loud.
Too soon
/s
Im so tired of this site competing for who is the furthest left leaning. We all want a better future. But we can’t get that if we dont put this fascism shit down before it gets terminal.
The guys who are still trying to work with republicans while Alligator Auschwitz exists are not fighting fascism, their policies allowed the fascists to take control and now they are trying to work with the fascists.
You’re right, it’s exhausting.
Nope. They fucked up long enough. No cookie until it’s all fixed. Buck up.
They even fucking lied?
Then the GOP chair, Rep. Higgins, lied, claiming the motion FAILED
I am puzzled by your incredulousness.
I am perplexed by your puzzlement.
I’m not holding my breath but I’m really hoping that will help maga chuds clue in that the GOP are wholly dishonest.
They don’t care they just want to “win”.
Actually they just want to “own the libs”. They’ll all scream to have the Epstein files released if you hint that AOC might be in there.
Of course they want to “own the libs”. They believe people get more conservative as they age, so kids have to be libs. And they definitely want to be able to own & trade children!
I hear she is. Release the files, and let’s prove it.
10% of them saying it was wrong is the best we’ll get. Him being charged with treason is what it should be
Here’s hoping that 10% are our fucking dipshit relatives eh?
It has to at least fall under this:
"§1001. Statements or entries generally Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 749 ; Sept. 13, 1994, Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), 108 Stat. 2147 .)"
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=49&f=treesort&num=1262
If it has to be decided or enforced by the majority party or SCROTUS, then it’s not happening any time soon.
This won’t even make the nightly news.
I get what you’re saying, but there are now two very distinct news spheres, and the one that they’re watching will simply not cover this story.
It’s in the hands of r/conspiracy now…
MAGAs can’t resist cheating at every opportunity. Here we are again with standard election fraud on a micro basis, but we’re supposed to believe that they won the 2024 Election “Fair & Square?”
This is unsurprising.
But forcing a recorded count does get those Republican Nays on record so they can be punished later.
I’m guessing Roberts Rules stuff.
As a quick and dirty thing, you can call a voice vote of ayes and nays. If it’s not particularly close, it’ll be obvious what the outcome is, the Chair will call the result, and everyone moves on. However, any member can call bullshit on the Chair, and then it goes to a more formal process.
So without watching the whole damn video, it’s probably that the voice vote went one way, the Chair said it was the other, got called on it, and the roll call vote went against him.
2 people said ‘nay’ and 8 people said ‘aye’… It was an honest mistake anyone could have made.
Nah
I bet the voice vote was more like 5-5, and the Republicans changed when they knew their vote was being recorded.
Did you see the video? It was clear that the ‘ayes’ had it.
Oh, I didn’t know the link would load without an account. You’re right, it looks like nobody switched.
But wasn’t it one person + himself? :)
Obvs his nay own would sound louder to himself
lol
I did watch the video and it was blatant and ridiculous.
Why does this have so many upvotes? I mean the information is mostly accurate, but for this particular 8-2 vote it sounds like it’s just trying to make an excuse for the treasonous Higgins saying the vote failed.
any member can call bullshit on the Chair
Yes, definitely making excuses.
Decorum for thee but not for me.
the single person who voted no: “In the opinion of the chair the nos have it”
the multiple people who voted “yes” laugh at the absurdity and call him out on it
how fucking brazen a liar
Shouldn’t that be like contempt of congress or something?
Should be grounds to have his ass beat
I feel like this would be a great addition to congress. Make C-SPAN interactive and viewers can vote on whether or not to have someone involved in a proceeding flogged with something like a 90% majority.
It would be like the scene in The Simpsons (a really old episode) where the family goes in for group therapy and the counselor hooks them up with shock collars and buttons they can zap each other with, and they just go crazy shocking the shit out of each other.
maybe if laws/rules applied to Republicans in positions of power
some people here dont know not to punch a gift horse in the mouth
Russian bots have their orders
Can you point to the comment you suspect of being a russian bot?
👍
Oh no, I was the russian bot all along?
Maybe the real journey was the Russian bots we made along the way
When he was the only person to say no, and then claimed “the noes have it,” that was the funniest gd thing I’ve seen all day. Hahahahahaha!
Can someone explain to this non-american why the Democrats are treating this as a successful upset when they could have released the Epstein files during Biden?
The Dems have molesters/rapists on the list themselves. The difference is that we are not cultists and will gladly watch those perverts go to jail. Apparently MAGA just barely started caring about justice as it pertains to the files.
Why were the files not released under Biden? Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking).
Hell … Bill Clinton is on the list (shocking)
Is that proven?
I don’t see anyone saying this yet, but the Epstein files were sealed by a court order for Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until January of 2025. Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them - and possibly giving Ghislaine’s lawyers a slam dunk to get her off with a mistrial.
Here is seems to be at the discretion of the Attorney General. Why didn’t Merrick Garland unseal them in September 2024 after her appeal failed?
Because Merrick Garland is incredibly lazy. He spent his entire tenure sitting around doing nothing.
This doesn’t get the Biden administration off the hook for not releasing the list sooner.
Is there any U.S. administration that should be let off the hook in the last 25 years of ratfuckery? I’ll just be happy if your Democrats are desperate enough to combat overt corruption that they’ll accept collateral damage among theirs and their masters.
Unlike Trump, Biden respected court orders.
Merrick Garland is a hard core libertarian centrist and Biden appreciated him for being status quo which means not rocking the boat or doing any effort to to hold anyone rich accountable as his previous bosses were BP and Amazon.
He also refused to prosecute Matt Gaetz.
Read his link. There’s nothing in there to indicate that Garland could’ve released then in 2024.
That does nothing to change the reality of his character or negate his lack of action i pointed out above.
Why did he actually not do anything? Who can say?
Not a good enough excuse IMHO.
Its not meant to be an excuse. He just is a shitty person. Picked because they thought it would reach across the shitty aisle to shitty republicans.
That just is what it is.It’s not a good excuse. Until Americans guillotine these fuckers, they will just continue to do what they want, law be damned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhZs69RvFM
You expected a shitty person to expose his shitty friends? Lmao
Garland is a republikkkan and a member of the Federalist Society. He was Biden’s greatest failure.
What exactly did you think that first link proved?
Biden couldn’t have released them without violating the court order that sealed them
Presidents can do whatever they want as long as it’s an official act.
It makes their opponents look bad when they refuse
They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
Or you know, mindless nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Politik-brained Canadian here:
IIRC they didn’t raid Epstein till 2019. In 2020 Democrats had a narrow majority in the house which they would lose in 2022.
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
It kind of seemed inevitable that the Epstein files would get leaked or released eventually. That is until Trump officially ran again in 2023; creating the possibility that the evidence would be destroyed permanently if he won.
Than January 6, 2021 happened, and I think everyone thought that would be the legal case that brought Trump down.
And it might have been if they didn’t drag their feet so much.
drag their feet
They full on chickened out!
Craven Republican “Trump is a threat to democracy.”
Proceeds to vote for acquittal
just to tie on to this, theres a none zero chance some prominent democrat “old guard” are also on the list, and their positions are too valuable to be lost (to the status quo). january 6th, if it was enough, would have been a great way to protect the old guard and get rid of trump. but thats evidently not what happened.
i dont care whos on the list, from what side, i want them all punished. anybody whos complicit in the current shit show, or is on that list, needs to be shot in the street like a rabid dog.
While I was still on Reddit, there was a list going around of politicians charged with child sex offences. Sure, there were a few Dems, curse them to hell, but by FAR the majority were Republikkklans. The list was up to page 57 last time I sighted it.
Shhh! Don’t ruin it for the rest of us! On tomorrow’s episode of “As The Empire Crumbles”, will the files lead to anything actionable?
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list, also the general public on the US, if you haven’t caught on yet are like 30% complete idiots. A good example of this is that many people in comments on Instagram or other social media have said ‘‘why would anyone even willingly fly on a plane called ‘the Lolita express’?’’ Because they can’t figure out that the press started calling Epstine’s plane that long after the accusations and convictions were over with. They’re even more confused that the pilot of the plant never saw ANY sexual behavior or implied sexual relationship of any minors on the plane or even adults on the plane. How couldn’t he tell?! Because Epstine was a blackmail con man, not a ‘‘hay everybody here’s all my dirty secrets! Look at this! It’s incriminating!’’ Man. Blackmail necessitates obfuscation, and likewise gaining access to wealthy targets ment he ALSO needs to appear harmless and well connected to other wealthy people, who only saw normal behavior. So this list, the flight logs, even the island visitors, will all be at the very least 50% innocent people, if not way higher numbers. You only need a few successful targets to get by with blackmail and if the targets all have lots of money and know eachother the last thing you want is for them to be aware your blackmailing them all at once. And if he never did blackmail and just ran a pedophile ring, the level of secrecy would still be crazy high and he’d still want to look innocent to the majority of people he knew that’s how all child abusers and rapists in general tend to behave.
30% feels generously low.
I’d say the people making shit up and are unaware of the files being sealed are the ACTUAL idiots.
… ok.
Piss poor response. If you’re too immature to admit being wrong, that’s on you, don’t put it on us.
Biden likely would have never released it because his donors are on the list
Biden wasn’t able to release it because a judge sealed it as part on an ongoing investigation. Don’t let that stop your ridiculous conspiracy theories.
The same “donors” would likely also support the Democrats now voting to release them.
Because they COULDN’T release them under Biden. They were sealed by court order until January 2025.
There is a lot of desperate “both sides” nonsense going on here but the fact remains, Democrats are voting to release them and Republicans are not. If Democrats wanted to cover them up, why would they be doing that?
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released. The democrats that do, are the minority faction of progressives, and they don’t have enough political power to actually get them released. Biden is not a progressive, he wants the uphold the status quo, including, protecting the Democrats on that list.
Its a PR stunt. The democratic establishment doesn’t want them released.
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Why would they overwhelmingly vote to realease them then?
It’s all bread and circuses until the 1% have extracted the last iota of capital from the rest of us and the country finally collapses.
Because they couldn’t, or at least not without potentially ruining the case while it was before the courts at the time?
Just browsed r/conservative for a bit to see the response there. Pleasantly surprised to see multiple posts where the top comment was something along the lines of “release everything, don’t care who is affected on either side”
They made us think it was conservative versus progressive. Democrat vs Republican.
It always was the elite versus the people
It’s also humans with morals vs. Conservatives. None of this would work if conservatives didn’t salivate at the thought of making others suffer.
Always has been.
No, you are supposed to hate conservatives 🫵😲
Are we supposed to forget they put Trump in power twice? A few people on the internet hardly encompasses conservatives.
Yes yes. Let the hate flow through you.
Yes! We just have to hate them harder than they hate us to win.
Politics 101
Yeah, that’s them. Get em, boy
They work really fucking hard to make that so easy.
This but unironically. You’re not Jesus. You aren’t farming karma. You’re allowed to hate detestable people. Everything in moderation!
This is the most respect I’ve had for them in a long time.
sooooo GOP chair who blatantly tried to defraud the American people in a cushy government position by abusing his position, he’s tossed outta the swamp now, right?
or rather, into the new swamp down in Florida
What does this actually mean?
Republicans are hypocrites — and have to be forced onto the record defying Dotard Trump — even though he’s a rapist and a pedophile.
“The no has it” are you fucking kidding me.
Bruh this isn’t the first time Higgens has tried this shit either. I find him specifically so infuriating.
So this subpoena means they get to review the documents, and presumably in their original state as well?
So if they get redacted ones, that would be obstruction of justice, but the question becomes did the obstruction of justice happen as a result of his duties of office, or one of personal reasons.
This still could get worse, even if the information that needs to come out does.
LOL. As if they’ll get any original unaltered documents.
Trust me bro one more rape charge on the rapist king and we beat fscist trust me bro. It will be a bombshell when everyone finds out what they already know and they SLAM him. One more scandal and we defeat facism trust me bro.
It’ll be far, far from the nail in the coffin, but we’re already seeing promising movement among what was normally staunch Trump supporters.
It’s only one avenue to follow though. We still have to do what we can wherever we can.
The video was fun to watch to watch.
If my understanding is right, it just means this sub committee will now subpoena all documents. Not like it will be available to everybody, just available to the lawmakers. You must be a real pedophile-ophile to want to block your committee from having knowledge.
I think GOP wants to get rid of Trump but keep MAGA. They’ve simply been unable to manipulate that outcome until now.
The only way they can bifurcate Trump from MAGA is if they have an equally “charismatic” strongman that can take his place. It would especially help if he’s young.
And it’s not Vance.
That’s why I keep my eye on Joe Rogan. I mean, folks tell me I’m nuts to think that a charismatic entertainer could make the transition to being President, but I’m not so sure. (/s, to be extra clear) I notice that he’s taking care to distance himself from the regime’s more-unpopular actions, but not break with it wholly.
I’m not convinced it can be anyone. Trump is a remarkable combination of horrible, stupid, and snake-oil-salesman charismatic. Anyone less stupid, and the base can tell that he’s just pretending to be like them, and they don’t like it. Anyone less charismatic can’t sell the con. Anyone less horrible would actually be less horrible, so that’d actually be better for all of us, but again I think then the base would turn on them for being insufficiently horrible.
About the only one I can think of on the public stage right now who checks all those boxes is Marjorie Taylor Greene, and she’s a wOmAn, which also disqualifies her for a good chunk of the Trump base.
But then again, this is the stupidest timeline, so for all I know they’ll just decide that Ron DeSantis is their new god when Trump finally exits the scene and deny that they ever hated Ron’s stupid fucking guts.
Hey, where’s all those losers that kept saying the Dems didn’t actually want it released? Come on out of the woodwork, ya fucking losers.
They’re right here in this thread, ignoring reality and spewing conspiracy theories.
I mean, Pelosi IS out there going out of her way trying to downplay the whole thing. Having a couple members of either party agreeing to subpoena the files doesn’t mean either party, as a whole, is supporting it.
Keep on trying. One of these days, those Democrats will turn around and say not to reveal this info, and then that’ll vindicate the child-loving Republicans.
Good. Finally. Balls and spines and strategies were grown and used.
