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Why do we care what a rich entertainer thinks?
We don’t, this is propaganda
Do you even know what propaganda is?
You know, like Trump basically fabricating Swift’s support though bullshit AI and forcing her hand
Do you even know what propaganda is?
This post: the government giving money to pop artists to make them more famous and to do ads for them, also the government spending millions to advertise in online platforms.
There’s almost 600 upvotes so far. If this is propaganda then that fact speaks for itself.
If you are a fan of this pop celebrity you are most likely a victim of propaganda and marketing.
She’s an incredible singer and dancer. I’ve respect for her talent and hard work. If she ever decides to create content for adults and take some risks in composition then I’d probably even enjoy her music.
But, she’s targeting adolescents and young adults. I agree that the majority are victims or propaganda and marketing.
This sub is propagating that nonsense. That’s not good.
she’s targeting adolescents and young adults.
Sound like their are more of a salesman than an incredible artist. Do you have any videos of their best performances? So far what i’ve seen on youtube is far from incredible.
I’m not sure of what to recommend as I’m not a fan. I’ve only seen a smattering of what was popular over the years. But, I also don’t think it’s difficult to recognize a strong vocalist or dancer. I admit she’s not Whitney or MJ, that “incredible” was exaggeration of my perspective.
I’m also curious. I’d like to see what her fans consider her best.
Why do we care what you think?
Because you subscribed? If you don’t care what people think here just unsubscribe and move on.
I don’t recall subscribing to sirderpy’s Tucker Carlson questions simulator. Where do I unsubscribe?
You don’t have to if you don’t want.
But whether you like it or no rich entertainers like Taylor Swift get lots of media and views. Which parleys into influence and bringing attention to a candidate or an idea.
This is the reason why anyone that wants to grow a brand and/or an idea will try to get a celebrity to endorse it.
Edit: This doesn’t mean they know more than the average joe it’s all about marketing
Why do others assign value to her perspective? Is she especially qualified to decide whom others should vote for?
She doesn’t decide who they vote for.
Why does anyone care what a singer and dancer thinks about political representation?
She’s not allowed to or qualified to have an opinion according to you?
My point is that not everyone’s opinion deserves respect.
For example, you’ve resorted to strawman instead of asking a question. It’ll be quite difficult for me to respect anything else you’ve to say on the topic.
Why on Earth would you say that, unless you think your opinion is important and valid and worthy of being heard? Yet you out here arguing other people’s opinions aren’t. Wow, great mind. Cry about strawmen a bit more.
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone. I’d be curious why you care so much about who this celebrity endorses. I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
That’s because it’s convenient and comfortable.
I don’t care what people choose. I only care about the comprehensiveness and quality of their facts and reason.
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone.
Isn’t it meritable to ask questions?
Isn’t it meritable to ask questions?
not when your questions amount to “why would people listen to her?!?!” when you know full well why - its the same reason Trump already used AI Taylor Swift to endorse himself.
You write like a freshman who has been enjoying debate club starting back up.
I don’t care what people choose. I only care about the comprehensiveness and quality of their facts and reason.
If you ultimately didn’t care who they choose, and instead just their line of thinking surely you wouldn’t be so riled up by something you knew was coming? The Richest man in the world bought a social media platform that now has a main purpose of getting Trump elected.
Your tired “just asking questions act” would be better suited for Facebook in like 2015
Your research is all yours to do, and the choice is yours to make.
Swift quote from the article. She is telling people to make their own decisions, whilst announcing her own choice and making no claims about qualifications. What is wrong with this?
What is wrong with this?
Her reasoning isn’t communicated in adequate nuance to earn respect for her perspective. She’s chosen what’s safe, politic, and popular rather than risk what her conscience should tell her is right.
Oh geez, I’m guessing you are the one who knows what’s right and speaks the true wisdom of all our consciences… Let us all bow down in respect to Sir Derpy of the correct nuance
My standards are high relative status quo and average relative very basic moral and ethical analysis. I’ll encourage you to choose to also set a higher standard. As a human you deserve better.
Probably because they feel aligned with her values and see her success as an indicator that she is smart. Therefore, she is someone worth emulating.
Does the rich singer and dancer represent her values honestly, is it marketing, or is there some of both? Is it wise to assign her perspective value?
If people used logic, Trump would never have made into politics to begin with.
If the majority was logical then we’d have been revolting for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the passing of the Interstate Branching and Banking Efficiency Act.
I think it’s far more important to encourage wisdom than pretend to play whack-a-mole with bank-owned politicians.
What do you think?
How do you propose we go about changing this? How do we effectively encourage it?
I think that purely logical thought is impossible, and believing we are a logical person can lead us to assume all our opinions are logical, inherently. Which leads to using after the fact logic to justify initial gut reactions. Is that what you mean by wisdom? The ability to understand your own emotional reaction and decide if it’s based on anything useful? Or is it something else?
I think, at this point in time, celebrity culture is important to be aware of. Trump was a reality tv star, after all. I think a better world could be made if society didn’t care about celebrities, but that is not where we live, and observing reality seems an important step to understanding it. And understanding it can help us determine if there is a way to alter this. If that’s the goal. Is that the purpose to your questions?
Now that the main glut of whatever has passed, I want to express that your post above, particularly your question, made my day. It’s perhaps the best question I’ve been asked engaging with .world. Thank you.
How do you propose we go about changing this? How do we effectively encourage it?
You’re witnessing one very small act of praxis right now. But, my best results are always IRL, personal, in a recurring one-on-one or small group discussion. And, I’m not to lead that discussion, instead following where the others lead, the only boundary logical fallacy.
A poor summary would be “Agency at all costs.” But, a good answer to your question would require a very lengthy response. My greatest influence in means is Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire (1968). But, there’s so many good tools, from the New Testament to the emotional delivery of Malcolm X. Being able to adapt is critical. Perhaps most important is to risk making it personal.
I’m going to take a stab at interpreting Crashhumbc’s post.
Politics is a popularity contest. You’re imploring Swift to write a fully cited research paper with academic rigor to justify her vote. Most people just go into the ballot box and pick the name that appeals the most to them. You are unrealistic in your evaluation of people, and hold major influencers (aka Celebrities) to standards that nobody else will.
Taylor Swift is a pretty blonde girl with a hot body, and a rocking singing voice and dancing skill to make the most of that hot body. Her original plan was to withhold her voting choice until after the election so she could focus on her current tour and not get right-wing agitators harming her or her fans. But then somebody made a DeepFake of her endorsing Trump, and she had no choice.
She explicitly does not want to tell her fans how to vote. She starts with that, reiterates it throughout her screed, and ends with it. But she makes it clear she’s NOT endorsing Trump, but instead, voting against him.
Will her fans change their votes based on what she’s said she’s going to do? Yes. Unfortunately. They’ll not read the three+ times she says “vote for who you think the best choice is, not who I think the best choice is”, and only see her “I am voting Harris/Walz.” You can’t expect her to be responsible for her fans’ poor choice in decision making, though. She’s not telling you how to vote, and she doesn’t want you to vote with her. That’s a huge part of why she said she’d not release her voting choice ‘until after her tour’ (which ends after the election). Had the Deepfakers not made a video of her endorsing Trump, we’d still probably be guessing at who she supports.
Because she has a ridiculous number of fans and this may spur some of them to vote that might not have otherwise.
Hopefully she reiterates it shortly before election day to stir people into action.
Is it wise to want others to choose based on propaganda instead of fact and reason?
No, but it’s what we get. Reality and what is wise do not often go hand in hand.
Should we attempt to change that or upvote 600 times to propagate the nonsense?
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weeks ago, so they definitely care. I actually admire that she is simply stating she plans to vote for Harris, rather than outright endorsing her. Swift advises people to be politically informed and to vote. I think that’s a pretty good message for anyone to say.
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weekss ago
That’s definitely a part she should’ve left out.
Why? Again it was her motivation for the post?
Inclusion implies that if she’d not been targeted then she’d not have spoken up.
I won’t doubt that there is some intention there along those lines. Maybe she wanted it to be read that way. I see it more along those lines than a full-blown endorsement.
I perceive its appeal to MLK’s “white moderate”.
Maybe we don’t, but she’s got a huge fanbase and they probably do.
I’d rather they not vote at all if they’re just basing their choice on what some billionaire entertainer says.
It’s about sending a message, setting a signal. People should think for themselves, I agree, but come on. Do you ignore all other forms of influence people experience or what weird world do you live in?
what weird world do you live in?
The one where shitloads of people let celebrities influence how they think.
I hate to break it to you, but Trump himself was a celebrity turned president. So we’ve no choice but to live in a world where celebrity seems to be important as some kind of qualification. His other qualification was “businessman” aka used-car-salesman.
Just let her and ja rule decide who’s the next president. Why the extra steps?
Why do they assign weight to her perspective?
Because they admire her
Is it wise that they assign her perspective value because they admire her ability to sing and dance?
They admire more than that. But, like, there’s an implication in the fact that you are posting on Lemmy that you believe people should assign a nonzero value to your perspective; why is that? I would assume that you make your arguments and believe they have value based on their own merit, regardless of the fact we have no idea who you are. Well, Taylor Swift made a post where she stated her position and gave arguments too. Is there any reason her perspective should not have any value but yours and mine should?
Furthermore, if someone does know who she is and wants to also take into account that they admire her music and songwriting, her personality, her perspective, and/or her various life accomplishments, why shouldn’t they? We’re talking about politics here, where everyone is making it up as they go along. She’s not trying to use her celebrity status to get a paper published in a physics journal or something.
I’ve done little more than ask questions about why someone should respect her political perspective because she’s rich singer and dancer.
Yes, I noticed you were asking that question, hence my reply which took your question into account. If you get a chance, you could try doing the same.
it’s not, but they do anyway
This story has nearly 600 upvotes, so far. Does that imply that we care about winning more than we care about the the wisdom and agency of others?
I care about one thing above everything else – Keeping Donald Trump away from the levers of power. And I have good reasons for this:
- My wife is a Black bisexual Goth Pagan. That’s at least three hates from Team Trump.
- I have Student Loans. I can repay them at 5% of my income, but 10% will become too much of a burden. And I’d really like to get my 120 payments in to get the rest wiped out.
- I care about the future of the planet. Having a guy raging against Solar and Wind for stupid made up reasons in office doesn’t support that goal.
- I care about keeping Russia out of Ukraine and Israel out of Palestine. While I also care about keeping Hamas out of Israel, I think Trump is bad for ALL those goals.
And that’s just the short list.
I support Biden and his successor Harris on the merits, too. The Chips Act is a great win for really getting microchips made in the US. Biden’s done a damn good job on investing in US infrastructure, which is an important thing to me. His attempts to deal with Student Loans are a big part of why I have stopped taking night classes and reentered repayment. And he’s doing a damn fine job overall. But again. My goal above all other goals is keeping Trump away from the White House.
- A vote for RFK Jr. is not going to accomplish this. Not only is he an anti-evidence candidate pushing BS conspiracy theory positions and only a few steps to the left of Trump et al, he’s also not going to win, and the most he could do is poach enough left-leaning votes with his last name to get Trump in office.
- A vote for Jill Stein is not going to accomplish this. Not only is she a sycophant for Putin and a peddler of disinformation herself (reasons alone to vote against her), her position as an alternative to the Mainstream Left-Most candidate is just another way to steal enough left-wing votes to … get Trump into office.
- A vote for Cornel West is not going to accomplish this. While I admire the man, the reality is that he doesn’t have enough access to have even a remote chance of winning the Presidency, and his run only ensures that votes that would have gone to Harris end up going to him, lowering the threshold at which Trump can steal the Presidency…getting Trump into office.
- Staying home is not going to accomplish this. All it does is lowers Harris’ vote count, making it easier for Trump to steal the Presidency…getting Trump into office.
My goal is to ensure my Black bisexual goth pagan wife doesn’t get ground under the bootheels of Trumpian Authoritarianism. One of the ways I do this is by debunking posts like this. I don’t care about winning. I care about Trump losing. And I don’t see wisdom here. I see…well, Rule 3 so I can’t say what I exactly see here, but it’s not wisdom or any of its synonyms. I see a willing dismissal of truth here, a poster arguing to give the election to Trump because the Democratic candidate isn’t EXACTLY what they demanded. And agency? Pal, nobody’s holding a gun to your head and saying you MUST vote Harris. Do any of the options I mentioned above, or go ahead and vote Trump, or any other silly ‘protest’ vote you want. We’re just here saying that you’re gonna get Trump for all of us and screw over a whole bunch of people you claim to support.
yes
Curious are you a Russian or Chinese agent? Which one pays you better?
You could just as well ask why people assign weight to Trump’s perspective, but instead you’re asking about Taylor Swift.
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective, and has an edge because she hasn’t bankrupted any casinos, sabotaged a nation’s pandemic response, or raped any kids that I know about. Not that qualification is necessary to have or state a perspective.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective
Your measure of merit is “relative to shit”.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
You don’t care for facts and reason, only agreement.
That’s not a perspective that deserves respect.
You have yet to demonstrate any facts or reason.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable
I agree. That’s why I won’t vote for Trump, Harris, or anyone else that funds their campaigns with corporate money.
I love the focus on the ‘childless cat lady’ line.
I think that line epitomises the pointless spite that epitomises MAGAism. The constant bullying and insults are entirely unnecessary to their agenda but they just can’t stop themselves, and if we end up post-November with them wondering how things might have gone had they not insulted tons of voters this way then I’ll find that delicious.
I suppose the counterpoint is that the insults and bullying might well be necessary, that their ‘othering’ and painting opponents as lesser, more ridiculous, less human enemies is a core part of how such populist fascist movements gain traction. “The cruelty is the point,” as some say.
The constant bullying and insults are entirely unnecessary to their agenda
The constant bullying and insults are the very core of fascist strategy.
It’s totally the point. The problem is they are running out of “outsider” groups they can demonize effectively so they have turned towards their own potential voters (mainly women).
As much as they want to turn transgender people into the new jews, most people just don’t have that much of a problem with them.
IMHO it’s harder to demonize a group that might include your son or daughter. Their racism persists because there are no white people who discover that they’ve actually been black their whole lives.
Although, I bet if those racist assholes took DNA tests many of them would find they did have some African-American blood, especially if they were from the South.
Been waiting for this since Trump decided to attack her and her fanbase, and misuse her image without her permission.
Go on, you MAGA idiots, start shouting at Taylor Swift. I dare you.
Dear Trump
We, are never ever ever, getting back together.
Sincerely, The White House
This is not “breaking news” under any circumstances.
Glad she’s supporting kamala and using her influence, but that being said the celebrity worship nonsense is silly. Not breaking news.
I mean she is probably the most popular pop star in the world, so I think it is breaking news if it helps the disenfranchised youth vote for Kamala over Trump.
Well, we are talking about a pop star with absolutely staggering amount of influence and reach, specifically with a young demographic. If she were able to motivate her fan-base to vote, that would be a huge deal.
Yeah, the fact that I keep seeing this as breaking, or important, news makes me want to break into a broadcast center and pull a “The Network”.
Unfortunately celebrity worship is influence, and influence is the key in elections. No influence, no vote. It is power. And the amount of influential power Taylor swift has is absolutely staggering. I wouldn’t be surprised if her endorsing kamala brings in tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters to register.
I’m skeptical that the kinds of people that would be swayed to vote for Kamala solely due to Taylor Swifts endorsement, are the kinds of people who see breaking news on NBC.
It’s not breaking news, which was my OP LOL. She could probably have the intended effect on tik tok and Twitter.
But still, I don’t really care, if it gets more votes against trump I’m all for it.
It ain’t breaking news though LOL. Putin launching a nuke is breaking news.
Some folks here really seem to think that her fans don’t have any political opinions without her. This is actually as much about her politically engaged fan base wanting her to use her platform for good, than it is about swaying people who might be very young or unsure about voting.
Lots of swifties are millenials who lean left and liberal and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image. This is not about silly pop fans needing to be told what to think. People aren’t ignorant. It’s exactly because she’s powerful and very wealthy, that it’s important for her to use her power to be very clear about where she stands. Especially in light of the ai thing and the Brittany Mahomes weirdness.
and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image.
This seems important to her, especially considering her timing – she mentioned that the right has been circulating deep fakes of her falsely claiming she endorsed trump.
obviously a lot of them are engaged, but the US is famously bad at actually voting, so this might make a significant difference in who votes.
I really hope that it does.
Good news!
https://x.com/ElenaMMoore/status/1833936170301960507
NEW: A General Services Administration spox tells NPR that as of 11 a.m. ET today there have been 306,422 visitors to http://vote.gov referred from Taylor Swifts’s URL she shared on Instagram last night
Heck yeahh
damn holy shit, big if true.
She did it in 2023 and I’m not one for bets. :) https://www.npr.org/2023/09/22/1201183160/taylor-swift-instagram-voter-registration
ideally it should, we saw something similar after kamala harris took over biden.
Well of course she did… it’s easy being a Democrat celebrity…
Have a downvote with that salty wine
Agreed. It sure is easy to publicly not be a cunt.
“Kamala, obviously.”
“Billionaire endorses politician” 🙄
lol
haha
♠️
🂡
Why on earth would he poke that bear?
Taylor Swift absolutely can drive voter registrations at levels that would easily supersede the 10-20k that swing states will be decided by, just based on her word. And her fanbase spreads across multiple demographics.
I’d be shocked if her announcement alone doesn’t drive 100k registrations nationwide in the next 48 hours.
And its Joever.
Was honestly never any doubt Taylor would support Kamala. She is pretty publicly Liberal with a capital L and tends to care about things like autonomy for women and all those crazy things. She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and…
Said it before and I’ll say it again. If you have to fuck with a frothing at the mouth fandom? Go after k-pop before you go after T-swizzle.
Idk, the recent pic of her chummy day/night out with Brittany Mahomes planted quite a bit of doubt for me. There was a lot of speculation after those pictures released that she’d come out for Kamala, to get ahead of any backlash.
Just being nice to the wife of her boyfriend’s buddy, not asking him to turn away from his friends, even if they’re fools. As my daughter said, those football guys get hit in the head a lot…
I personally think the company you choose to keep says a lot about you. There’s being polite with your partner’s friends and then there’s being all over someone like a bestie. It’s amazing how well her PR machine works that she gets white knighted so much, even on Lemmy. May I remind everyone that she is a billionaire and didn’t get to be one accidentally. She’s just as bad as the rest of them, she just pays people to make her seem not as threatening, and it’s clearly working based on all the free defense she gets on the internet.
She’s not your friend. Arguably, she’s Brittany Mahome’s friend.
Yes. The company she keeps is her boyfriend. Her boyfriend who is a tight end (hee hee) on the same team that Mahomes is a quarterback on. That means he only “looks good” if Mahomes throws to him.
Welcome to being an adult. Yes, there are thresholds where you say “Fuck off, I don’t care”. But when it can potentially ruin your partner’s career to not smile and nod? You act like an adult and smile and nod. And then you go off on them during the car ride home (well… plane ride for T-Swizzle).
Nobody (sane) is going to argue that Taylor is a secret leftist or anything. But she has consistently shown that she cares about LGBTQ+ rights and Womens’ Rights (whether as part of her brand or as herself, it doesn’t matter) and quietly endorsed Biden. The only question was whether she would stay silent, quietly endorse Kamala, or release a press release. She chose the press release.
But hey, feel free to continue making deranged purity tests that just alienate everyone else. That totally leads to electoral wins and change.
It’s not deranged. There are degrees and nuances to all human relationships and situations but this was and is a pretty public one. These are hard choices for anyone but they do still matter. I don’t think smiling and nodding is acting like an adult, I think it’s cowardly. There is no maturity in avoiding things.
She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and…
She might have done something more subtle like she did with Joe Biden cookies 4 years ago. I agree, in this case she had no choice but to share her opinion loud and clear.
And in case anyone isn’t aware and is taking advice from this post, don’t fuck with K-pop. They’ll fuck you up.
Oh. K-pop stans will fuck your shit up and destroy any online infrastructure you have.
Swifties will fuck your shit up, burn down your home with you inside it, and piss on the ashes. All while their parents (and randos who got Swifty pilled by stuff like The Fall Guy) are grooving in the street and waving off hte cops.
Shit I wouldn’t go after K pop or the Beehive either.
8 believe they call themselves the “Beyhive”
They waited for the contract
She wouldn’t bother with the pennies they could afford to pay her.
Billionares are money addicts with a mental disorder, they would still lower themself even for 50 dollars. Being endorsed by the establishment is how you become a pop star and how your albums magically top more skilled artists than you.
She’s a billionaire you dolt.
Praise Tay
If Taylor Swift spearheads voter registration drives in swing states and Pennsylvania specifically, the race could be over.
I don’t imagine most of her fans are of voting age, but the exposure certainly can’t hurt.
I mean…Trump has a 60-something year old retired wrestler, and a 50-something trashrock star for his celebrity endorsements.
One seems more significant than the other, especially for women.
All of my coworkers are Swifties who attend her concerts and constantly play her music. Most of them are in their 30s and 40s. Her audience isn’t as young as you’d think, she’s been making music for decades now.
Taylor is 34 and has been popular for over a decade. There are young fans, but she has millions of fans of voting age
I’m the same age as Taylor and I see at least one of my peers attending her concerts every week on social media. Her reach right now is insane.
Sure, I get that. I’d just like the obvious sane choice to be made more than a celebrity endorsement. Feels pretty shitty that we’re at this point.
Our last president was a celebrity, and that’s the second actor we’ve had as president alone. What point are you referring to?
Fun fact: Swift’s first album is old enough to vote.
Why would you make me face my mortality in this way
“Breaking News” 🤦♂️ Ugggghhhh.
I’ll take it!!!
There’s always something to complain about
It actually is though. When they use the same header two days from now…
I mean… one of the most influential people on the planet just endorsed a candidate for President. That is pretty breaking news.
while I personally don’t like when people use clout for things like this, some people don’t realize how big politically she can be. She outright had governments fighting for show exclusivity just so she would choose their country for people to travel to. Her influences has whole damn governments fighting each other.
More importantly, she was waiting for the best time to do it. I would hate to be the guy who has to tell Trump.
Trump’s left brain cell: “Woman no agree with me so she ugly!”
Trump’s right brain cell: “But woman blonde like Ivanka! I want to sex her!”
bzzrtPOP
[system malfunction]
(Second brain cell added for artistic license)
He’s currently standing awkwardly in the spin room hoping that people will talk to him.
Who would want to talk to a felon and adjudicated rapist? Gross!
I’m sure some reporters talked to him. There are some pretty amusing clips of him just sorta standing around awkwardly.
There is a non-zero chance that some reporter told him about the Taylor Swift endorsement. I truly hope he responded with the grace and elegance he had on display all night 😂
