Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don’t they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It’s not as if appearance wasn’t way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.
Kamala lost because she was too close to the administration that is blamed (rightly or wrongly, doesn’t really matter) for the cost of living crisis.
It also didn’t help that she was thoroughly uninspiring. The best part of her campaign was the actually refreshingly left wing (by american standards) walz.
It marked the third time that the Democrat party has run a soulless career establishment politician against trump. They only won the time before because Trumps fuck ups were immediately apparent and fresh in everyones memories.
As another outside observer I’d disagree that was the reason she lost. Yeah there’s racism and sexism issues in the US, but in the last US election both AOC and Bernie got a lot of votes to elect them as senators on the senator ballot from people who also voted Trump on the presidential ballot.
AOC and Bernie did some polls on social media asking these people why they voted for both them and Trump. The responses were typically like “you’re not part of the political elite” and “you say it how it is” and “you seem like you genuinely care about Americans”.
IMO, Kamala is considered too close to the democratic political establishment and that the American public is desperately craving some more (mostly economically) progressive politics which AOC and Bernie have been talking about for years.
If the DNC run Kamala in 2028 then the Trump administration will project it as “Biden, Harris, and the elites want to be president forever, so why not pick me instead”.
Why are you writing Karmala? Her name is Kamala.
Whoops, spelling mistake, thanks for pointing that out.
She lost bcs she was a racist heartless tone-deaf ghoul
No. Surprisingly it wasn’t the overwhelming racism and sexism of USA. Michelle Obama would have destroyed Trump. She probably would win in 2028 too.
Like everyone else said… Kamalacaust lost because she’s a genocidal prosecutor walking in the footsteps of another total failure. They’re just gross people.
The dems would rather lose than betray their genocidal capitalist masters.
Stop bringing up “genocide” as the reason, please. It’s not. If people cared about genocide, they would’ve voted against the “finish the job” Republicans.
Sexism and racism seems like an obvious answer and one that it’s easy to find evidence for the existence of. But if you break it down a bit further, sexists and racists vote Republican anyway.
I know a few old Dems who voted for trump this year because they didn’t think a woman could be president
I would like both Bernie and AOC to run for president, each with the other as their VP. Either winning would improve America.
Ideally, we get Bernie-AOC for 2028 and 2032, then AOC + ??? for 2036 and 2040. This nation is in dire need of dedicated progressive leadership, considering how far right the ship has tilted.
I like Bernie, but no fucking way should you elect someone that old AGAIN. He can create a great platform for AOC, but even he knows it’s time for the younger crowd to get a voice.
Wouldn’t it be nice to not have a president who is very likely to die from a harsh cough for once?
That is why AOC is there on the ticket. VPs exist to take over if the president kicks the bucket.
Bluntly, we need good people in office. While I definitely support reforms to force age and term limits on our politicians, that can only happen if good people are willing to change the system. The system is currently run by corrupt and fossilized politicians who won’t permit change. Getting good people into office is required for positive change.
This takes time, one where a Bernie-AOC presidency can enable. Bernie and AOC, unlike the likes of Pelosi, will allow younger and progressive people to take leadership roles throughout government. It will take at least 10 years to replace the old guard - a two term progressive presidency just isn’t enough for that sort of generational shift.
If Bernie is to be elected in 2028 he’ll be 91 by the end of his term. If he continues in 2032, he’ll be 95. That is far too fucking old to be a politician. I know his view is what USA needs and has needed for a long time, but it’s far too little too late. The window for Bernie to be president was 2016, and the american people and the democratic party fucked that up. It’s time to move on.
Instead you do exactly what they’re doing now. Bernie uses his influence with the people to give AOC a platform to make her his protege for 2028. He’s currently putting her out there as a voice of reason, and passing the torch to her.
A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).
AOC would receive my vote.
“SHOCK POLL”
Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries
So tell me why? Explain it like I’m a 6 yo. What exactly is the appeal of AOC? Someone who once aligned herself with two antisemites? She’s not a Senator, she’s a representative for New York State. Does she have the same appeal as David Hogg? Strike me down and call me a conservatard (I’ve never ever voted Republican) but AOC is a gaffe machine, but somehow it’s on purpose? Can we talk about Ilhan Omar and Rashid Talib? How the fuck did they ever become Representatives for Minnesota and Detroit…yeah I know it’s been a minute, but this is the Democratic Party…how did Leftist get so confused that they felt the need to support right wing religious nuts? You know what I talking about right? You could take your average everyday Muslim and a white supremacist and ask them both how they feel about women/jewish people/gay people and you’d get the same answer. Did AOC support the striking train workers in 2022? The union for the rail workers never really got the deal they wanted. What does AOC stand for exactly? Just the typical Gen Z talking points? “We gotta support drag queens in libraries!” Yeah, I’m an old fuddy duddy who thinks that identity politics is a losing battle, maybe if everyone can get under the umbrella of the idea that billionaires are working to ruin this country? Maybe we can talk about wealth inequality and how no one who is working class can afford anything? Housing prices, rent, basic living income and basic standards for ALL human beings? I love Bernie Sanders, god bless him, but AOC and Bernie spreading whatever message they are is falling on deaf ears, the ears of middle America. I’ll take my beating now
Yeah, I’m an old fuddy duddy who thinks that identity politics is a losing battle, maybe if everyone can get under the umbrella of the idea that billionaires are working to ruin this country?
If that’s how you feel, you’re supporting the wrong people. It was centrists who turned to identity politics to hide their lack of an economic platform. Remember when Hillary said breaking up the big banks won’t end racism? Remember when the new DNC chair said they would still take money from good billionaires? If you want Democrats to focus on the billionaires ruining our country, AOC’s your best bet.
I love Bernie Sanders, god bless him, but AOC and Bernie spreading whatever message they are is falling on deaf ears, the ears of middle America.
10K showed up for them in Michigan. 12.5K people showed up for them in Idaho. 30k showed up for them in a Trump district in Montana. Doesn’t seem like it’s falling in deaf ears, but maybe your right, and the Democrats should just not try to win any states in the middle of the country. I’m sure that’s a great strategy.
What does AOC stand for exactly? Just the typical Gen Z talking points? “We gotta support drag queens in libraries!”
You could take your average everyday Muslim and a white supremacist and ask them both how they feel about women/jewish people/gay people and you’d get the same answer.
Get fucked, bigot.
Yep, this is the kind of ad hominem attack I would expect. You think I support Hillary Clinton? What Do you think that Centrism is about exactly? Is your righteous anger going to change the world? You’re adorable
“Here’s a long detailed rebuttal to your badly informed opinion.”
“Ad hominem!”
Reddit and its consequences was a mistake.
LOL, yes, you got an ad hominem attack in response to blatant bigotry. Comparing all Muslims to white supremacists doesn’t warrent debate, but it does deserve ridicule and contempt. You also ignored a bunch of facts that contradicted your wildly inaccurate statements on who was promoting identity politics, which factions of the party were actually standing up to billionaires, and how successful the Sanders/AOC tour is in middle America, but those challenged your worldview, so you couldn’t acknowledge them. Anyway, keep punching at the left-wing of the party while the Democrats try to run the same strategy put Donald Trump in the Whitehouse twice. I’m sure you’ll change the world by losing every election!
AOC is a gaffe machine
I actually think she’s pretty well spoken. A lot of people clip her just to farm outrage, but honestly, we’ve seen (especially with Trump) that out-of-context clips don’t really shift public opinion much anymore, they just reinforce whatever people already believe.
Fake news right? To call this SHOCK gotta be better not the same.
She’s an amazing candidate. I’d vote for her. I dunno about the rest of the country tho. They seem to really appreciate white men when it comes time to vote. All other issues be damned.
Just let the white man win better than this orange one in office. we know both sides still prefer them stop fighting this bullshit
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
Anyone here who seriously thinks Democrats will win without playing dirty and purging Republican votes in the millions? Please CMV.
I’m shocked that Harris is in first place…
I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
Not so sure about that, I knew who Cortez was years before I recognized Harris and I’m not in either of their districts.
I only knew about Cortez because my MAGA cousins would rant about her and the Green New Deal and I decided to look her up.
“Ehrmagerd we’ll be forced to live in unpolluted cities where everything’s within a 15-minute walk! I’d rather die!”
But you are commenting on Lemmy, which i’d argue makes you atypical and your media/news consumption probably looks very different to that of the average American.
Technically I’m on Mbin, but I get your point.
That said, I was hearing her name in broadcast and print news reports way before Harris and I visit a wide variety of websites.
The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
The fact that’s she’s leading in the polls is fucking crazy
Bruh, it’s a meaningless poll. There’s no election coming up. Hoping and pretending isn’t going to change anything. Forget any pretense of another election.
There’s no election coming up.
The spectacle of election is never going away. We literally just had two house special elections at the start of the month.
We’ve got some pivotal gubernatorial races in November. I’m sure we’ll have more special elections as our existing crop of geriatric politicians die out. Then a bunch of legislative races in '26, etc.
The spectacle won’t end. We’re going to keep doing the ritual for a long while.
Yes, mostly meaningless elections. I wouldn’t even expect midterms, let alone the national.
So the Democrats are not interested in public opinion and is hellbent on always making every election about identity politics. I’m saying this as someone who has always (regrettably) voted democrat in every election since 1992. Inclusivity is important, but why is it always…always the only talking point coming from the left. The message that everyone should be able to get behind is the insane wealth disparity that exists, most especially in America. I remember when everyone on the left was sooo happy, so thrilled when Kirsten Sinema was elected as Senator for Arizona because she was bisexual, as if that’s somehow a qualification, and how she took a huge dump on working class Americans. Has anyone given thought to the Astronaut? You know, the guy whose wife was affected by political violence? The guy who seems reasonable and well spoken ? Middle America might actually vote for someone like Mark Kelly who flew combat missions during the gulf war. Why is the Democratic Party so obsessed with AOC? She’s not a bad person, the right obviously hates her, and that’s shitty, but it doesn’t mean she should automatically be the darling of the Democratic Party, the obsession confuses me honestly, her personality is a bit grating tbh. Democrats are hellbent on either choosing and ineffective milquetoast man or a disingenuous woman.
I understand your point, but which populace Democratic candidate is there besides Kamala and AOC?
If you think in terms of “lanes” AOC is the only left wing potential candidate on there, 21% support is actually not persuasive in her odds to actually be the candidate.
I feel very good about her chances to run the Bernie playbook and end with a top 3 amount of delegates but in an actual primary the lanes would clear up as people drop out and it is hard to see her consolidating support from like, Gavin Newsome.
Somewhere, a Russian with a gulag allergy is crafting a fresh AOC-focused smear campaign for the 2028 third-party distraction effort.
The year is 2028
AOC wins the Democratic nomination
Lemmy immediately ridicules AOC as a shitlib centrist and says that to save democracy, we must protest vote for [insert name here].
I want to get off of Mr. Putin’s Wild Ride.
They don’t need to. centrists will do it all by themselves. Like they did with Obama.
I’m sure they’ll help. Don’t have to set the thing in motion, just give it a little push now and then to keep the conversation moving in the direction you want it to go.
